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Post by The Truth on Jan 29, 2014 14:40:38 GMT
She’s no destiny’s child: Why Beyoncé is overrated8:52pm, Jan 6,2014 Susannah Guthrie Reporter  “I always battle with how much I reveal about myself,” Beyoncé Knowles shared with much gravitas in her 2013 documentary, Life is But a Dream.How about everything but the kitchen sink, Bey?Since detailing the “battle of her life” as “remaining current and soulful,” in the trailer for her HBO autobiography, the 32 year-old has blessed the world with a 15-minute Superbowl Halftime show, a “Queen B” Vogue cover, a brand new career-retrospective Pepsi campaign, a raunchy half-naked GQ cover and a 31-track surprise visual album. Low-key. She doesn’t write her own songs Listen to THIS. Sound familiar? That’s because it’s essentially Beyoncé and Jay-Z’s 2003 single Crazy in Love. Just written 30 years earlier and arguably much better.While her contemporaries like Katy Perry, Adele and Lady Gaga proudly write the majority of their music, Beyoncé hasn’t written a single one of her hits. Instead, she samples songs from other artists (like her use of Stevie Nicks’ Edge of Seventeen in Bootylicious) and takes other people’s songwriting triumphs and catapults them to mega-hit status (Irreplaceable was written by famous, but lesser known, R&B artist Ne-Yo).Plus, many of her most memorable singles - Bootylicious, Crazy in Love, Deja Vu, Beautiful Liar, Telephone - were duets, often featuring her husband. Interesting. She’s self-absorbed Kanye West gets flak for being arrogant, but when Beyoncé shares gems like “I’m more powerful than my mind can even digest and understand”, she somehow gets away with it. A February 2013 interview with GQ Magazine revealed that her home has a temperature-controlled archive room holding all of her interviews and photographs, and that she is followed around by a videographer who documents her every move just for posterity.In December she dropped a surprise album that was – big shock – eponymously titled. The album, that led many to hail her has a game-changer, is a “visual album” because clearly hearing her voice is not enough. Instead we also have to watch her writhe around in a series of costumes that would put Miley Cyrus to shame. Which brings me to my next point … We let her get away with too muchBey seems to benefit from a strange kind of double standard when it comes to her and other female artists. Although Miley Cyrus is slammed for wearing over-revealing outfits and singing about sex and drugs, Beyoncé is allowed to do this and sing lyrics like “I get filthy with that liquor, give it to me”.At least Miley doesn’t have any children yet who will be supremely embarrassed by her antics. Bey’s daughter Blue Ivy has to suffer the consequences of hearing her parents explicitly sing about their sex life like this: “He popped all my buttons and he ripped my blouse/ He Monica Lewinsky-ed all on my gown/ Oh Daddy, Daddy, he didn’t bring the towel/ Oh baby, baby, we better slow it down”.When Beyoncé lip-synched the national anthem at Obama’s inauguaration last year, the public reaction was only half as critical as when Ashlee Simpson lip-synched one of her B-list songs on Saturday Night Live. Never mind that Knowles had effectively faked patriotism at an incredibly important event, she remedied the situation pretty quickly by delivering a “fierce” live rendition days later and people vehemently apologised for ever doubting her. Her songs aren’t memorable Beyoncé has a great voice, but she’s got nothing on Adele. Her lyrics are catchy, but they in no way evoke the same kinds of issues and emotions evident in a song by The Beatles, Radiohead, Lorde or even Eminem. In fact, she mostly sings about being sexy, getting over dodgy men and … being sexy. You would have to be a serious fan to name a single Beyoncé mega-hit in the last five years that really made an impact other than Single Ladies. Go on, I dare you. She’s not good at sharingWhen Beyoncé took to the stage for the 2013 SuperBowl halftime show in February, fans were delighted by a surprise reunion of Destiny’s Child, the girl group that rocketed Beyoncé into the spotlight. However, it may as well have been just another Beyoncé performance featuring some famous backup dancers given that Michelle Williams’ and Kelly Rowland’s microphone volume was down so low.Regardless, it was real sweet of Bey to give her Destiny’s Child band mates some time in the spotlight – of her 14 overwrought, energy-wasting minutes on stage, only three were given to Kelly and Michelle. How generous!  During these three minutes, do you think Kelly and Michelle were allowed to showcase some of the many songs that made their band so memorable? No. After a short version of Independent Women, Bey politely asked them “Can y’all help me sing this one?” before breaking into her mega-hit Single Ladies. A song about being better off alone. Kelly and Michelle halfheartedly sang along, all the while probably wondering when her ego had gotten so out of hand.During my time at People magazine in New York, I had the pleasure of meeting Michelle Williams, who talked openly about her struggles with depression as a result of feeling inferior next to her more successful band mates. Way to rub it in, Beyoncé.The notion that the pop icon is not keen to share the spotlight was further perpetuated when a video recently surfaced of a young Beyoncé scoffing at Kelly Rowland during an interview. Kelly introduces herself as Destiny’s Child’s “second lead vocalist” and Knowles reacts with an exaggerated eye roll and loud cough. She claims to be a feminist but is really just a hypocriten a 2010 interview with The Daily Mail, Beyoncé described herself as a feminist and has been outspoken about her fight for female empowerment, performing at awareness-raising events like 2013′s Chime for Change. Then she goes and blows it all by posing scantily clad on the cover of men’s magazines and naming her tour Mrs. Carter in a nod to her husband’s last name.Then there are her songs, which seem to suggest anything but an independent, fierce feminist outlook.In the Destiny’s Child hit Cater 2 U, Bey admits her life would be “purposeless” without her man, offering to “Let me help you/Take off your shoes…Let me feed you/Let me run your bathwater/Whatever you desire/I’ll aspire”. Then there’s Dance For You, where she spends the entire film clip dirty dancing for a disinterested man while singing lyrics like “Tonight I’m gonna dance for you…loving you is really all that’s on my mind…sit back and watch.” Let’s not forget her latest offering from her visual album – the song Partition – where Beyoncé does a striptease in a cage while admitting “I just wanna be the girl you like/The kind of girl you like”. Fantastic goal-setting for young women. She’s merely a marketing proBeyoncé has a lot of things on her side – a famous husband, famous friends, a perfect body, good looks, an adorable baby, a great voice, wealth – and she is an expert at exploiting them. She orchestrates a secret album and ensures that it stands out from the crowd by being a visual showcase. She dedicates an entire song and video to her one year-old daughter, but never shows the child’s face. She networks like no other and has friends in high places, the leader of the free world among them.  She carefully selects the products she represents, ensuring that they not only pay well but also support and strengthen her image. Her latest Pepsi ad served as a retrospective of her successful career, furthering her world dominance and barely featuring the drink she was trying to sell. She hustles, flaunts and endorses herself with such ferocity that it’s easy to forget there’s a clever PR team behind her strategic decisions Bottom line? Beyoncé is a prolific performer and undoubtedly deserving of her fame. However, the minute we start waxing lyrical about her being the voice of a generation, a living goddess and a pioneer in music, we have gone too far. She’s a pro at playing the game and, as a society, we are all too willing to drink her particular brand of Kool-Aid. Disclaimer: The author of this article is in no way suggesting that her qualms about Beyoncé prevent her from blasting Single Ladies in her car.
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Post by eljjai on Jan 29, 2014 17:29:58 GMT
Personally I think Beyonce is lazy and is there for a willing pawn. She's too lazy to fight the system and be or do better. SHe'll do whatever they ask her to. and she'll do it with a smile. She could have improved her craft, but chose to sling her wig for a decade. never learnt an intsrument, got professional dance lessons or anything like that. She chose mediocrity and all its meaningless rewards.
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Post by backup26 on Jan 29, 2014 18:04:41 GMT
Personally I think Beyonce is lazy and is there for a willing pawn. She's too lazy to fight the system and be or do better. SHe'll do whatever they ask her to. and she'll do it with a smile. She could have improved her craft, but chose to sling her wig for a decade. never learnt an intsrument, got professional dance lessons or anything like that. She chose mediocrity and all its meaningless rewards. I don't think she is lazy. I just think she lacks the creativity to come up with anything on her own. We've heard her talk... can you imagine the songs she'd make on her own? I don't want to think about it. |
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Post by itsawonderfulworld on Jan 29, 2014 21:04:08 GMT
Personally I think Beyonce is lazy and is there for a willing pawn. She's too lazy to fight the system and be or do better. SHe'll do whatever they ask her to. and she'll do it with a smile. She could have improved her craft, but chose to sling her wig for a decade. never learnt an intsrument, got professional dance lessons or anything like that. She chose mediocrity and all its meaningless rewards. I don't think she is lazy. I just think she lacks the creativity to come up with anything on her own. We've heard her talk... can you imagine the songs she'd make on her own? I don't want to think about it. Yes, we'd get "Girls" and the entire Survivor discography. Those shits are a travesty! |
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Post by Rocky on Jan 29, 2014 21:40:32 GMT
Ok this were I have to defend beyoncé and I'll do it like a mature adult.
Ok we all know her biggest hits were not written by her. But to say she doesn't write her own music is an absolute reach. She's written a handful of her songs. I can tell if something was written her or by someone else.
Can't comment on her being arrogant I don't know her like that only seen her perform
I think it's unfair to judge Miley Cyrus for being sexual. My own favorite artist Janet Jackson sang more raunchier lyric than every female artist and nobody judges her Madonna and Rihanna did it but doesn't get the backlash like Miley doest maybe it's because of the age and every one has a double standard for different artist. The whole lip sync thing she already address that so I don't get why people make a big deal about it when it was all about the president. Every pop star with dancing has lip sync people shouldn't have criticize Ashley for that.
Her songs not memorable is based on opinions but to her fans and casual fans like myself some are unforgettable. She's doesn't always sing about being sexy or getting over guys. Why criticize beyoncé for that but not Adele drake and Taylor swift? She does have songs about being in love emotional pain being scared missing someone and second chances. Sweet dreams the acoustic Version was a great hit her fans love. If I were a boy became a song people always wanted to cover and so was halo.
Face it destinys child for the first few albums were all about beyoncé I agree she wasn't good at sharing the spotlight. The halftime show was beyoncé's show she didn't have to put Kelly or Michelle but she did cause we wanted to seem them perform again but beyoncé said she was gonna fit a 16 year career in 12 minutes she could've just only performed her solo career.
Beyoncé is NOT no damn feminist she needs to cut that out ASAP !
She is a marketing pro very smart about that but why can't she make a secret album. She has a song for her baby yea she was also in the video we seen her baby already she beautiful just like every baby. she doesn't have to show us like at MJ he hid the kids for years. Why should we care if she shows the baby or not do u really care
Is beyoncé overrated ? To a certain degree she is for example she's not the best dancer people claim she is wanna see a great dance check my girl Janet kill rhythm nation live. When people think she's good overrated !!! What people and her fans don't give her credit for is her vocals whether u like it or not she does have some sick vocals like on her first tour but she is ONE of the best performers alive. The problem with beyoncé is her lack of originality, stealing credits and her lack of communication with her fans.
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Post by Elle McRealson on Jan 29, 2014 21:43:11 GMT
I don't think she is lazy. I just think she lacks the creativity to come up with anything on her own. We've heard her talk... can you imagine the songs she'd make on her own? I don't want to think about it. Yes, we'd get "Girls" and the entire Survivor discography. Those shits are a travesty!  |
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Post by Sasha on Jan 29, 2014 22:55:41 GMT
I can't understand why people says Beyonce can sing. she is a terrible singer, her songs are straight up shit, I don't care who write them, they are garbage. Her acting ability is laughable, her perfume smells like dog vomit with a touch of rotten egg, yes am very serious,
her clothing is for ghetto hood-rat, her performance are pussy popping, what is not pussy popping is other singers work..
And that beauty they go crazy for, I just cannot see it, to me she is very very average looking maybe even ugly.
oh yes with zero sex appeal..
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Post by Geturlife on Jan 29, 2014 23:48:12 GMT
I agree with all of u (except rocky...no shade). Beyonce should have worked on her creativity and yes she should learn an instrument....even lady gaga plays the piano. Her songs are mediocre at best. She hasn't even had a hit in 6 years....really. Beyonce is lazy when it comes to the music. You hardly see pics of her in the studio. She just wants to be seen.....17 vids, long tours. She has to rely on visuals. Who cares about visuals when I'm in the club LISTENING and dancing to the music. She is a feminist, but dances and dresses like a stripper. Beyonce wants to be everything to everybody, she does too much. In the process, she comes off as a walking contradiction
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Post by rocky on Jan 30, 2014 0:36:30 GMT
I agree with all of u (except rocky...no shade). Beyonce should have worked on her creativity and yes she should learn an instrument....even lady gaga plays the piano. Her songs are mediocre at best. She hasn't even had a hit in 6 years....really. Beyonce is lazy when it comes to the music. You hardly see pics of her in the studio. She just wants to be seen.....17 vids, long tours. She has to rely on visuals. Who cares about visuals when I'm in the club LISTENING and dancing to the music. She is a feminist, but dances and dresses like a stripper. Beyonce wants to be everything to everybody, she does too much. In the process, she comes off as a walking contradiction its ok i dont get offended when people have opinions! but learn to play an instrument ? that would be too much than people are gonna compare her to alicia keys. she can stick to singing and doing her usual 1,2 step dance moves. for a girl who went to a performing art school beyonce doesnt have a good creative process or thinking at all. she uses a creative director for everything she does fuck that interview where she said "all these ideas are me" we all kno she does nothing. what she needs to do is listen to the fans and fire that creative director she had since she was in DC when letoya and latavia was in it who she claim was her uncle. love on top wasnt a hit someone told me it was a big hit in the US ! and the long tour is for bragging rights for a high grossing she wants to break madonnas tour record so bad and its actually sad..lets be honest is it necessary for a tour to be over 110 shows she failed to beat it so now its 135 shows. madonna can do high numbers with 88 shows. AND your comment "Beyonce wants to be everything to everybody, she does too much. In the process, she comes off as a walking contradiction" YESSS i agree please tell that to fans on TGJ!! another thing about beyonce is that shes rushing to be in the legend status way to fast. shes doing way too much to prove to people shes a legend she needs to wait another 10-15 years if shes still relevant |
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Post by Ivory on Jan 30, 2014 0:51:57 GMT
Ok this were I have to defend beyoncé and I'll do it like a mature adult. Ok we all know her biggest hits were not written by her. But to say she doesn't write her own music is an absolute reach. She's written a handful of her songs. I can tell if something was written her or by someone else. Can't comment on her being arrogant I don't know her like that only seen her perform I think it's unfair to judge Miley Cyrus for being sexual. My own favorite artist Janet Jackson sang more raunchier lyric than every female artist and nobody judges her Madonna and Rihanna did it but doesn't get the backlash like Miley doest maybe it's because of the age and every one has a double standard for different artist. The whole lip sync thing she already address that so I don't get why people make a big deal about it when it was all about the president. Every pop star with dancing has lip sync people shouldn't have criticize Ashley for that. Her songs not memorable is based on opinions but to her fans and casual fans like myself some are unforgettable. She's doesn't always sing about being sexy or getting over guys. Why criticize beyoncé for that but not Adele drake and Taylor swift? She does have songs about being in love emotional pain being scared missing someone and second chances. Sweet dreams the acoustic Version was a great hit her fans love. If I were a boy became a song people always wanted to cover and so was halo. Face it destinys child for the first few albums were all about beyoncé I agree she wasn't good at sharing the spotlight. The halftime show was beyoncé's show she didn't have to put Kelly or Michelle but she did cause we wanted to seem them perform again but beyoncé said she was gonna fit a 16 year career in 12 minutes she could've just only performed her solo career. Beyoncé is NOT no damn feminist she needs to cut that out ASAP ! She is a marketing pro very smart about that but why can't she make a secret album. She has a song for her baby yea she was also in the video we seen her baby already she beautiful just like every baby. she doesn't have to show us like at MJ he hid the kids for years. Why should we care if she shows the baby or not do u really care Is beyoncé overrated ? To a certain degree she is for example she's not the best dancer people claim she is wanna see a great dance check my girl Janet kill rhythm nation live. When people think she's good overrated !!! What people and her fans don't give her credit for is her vocals whether u like it or not she does have some sick vocals like on her first tour but she is ONE of the best performers alive. The problem with beyoncé is her lack of originality, stealing credits and her lack of communication with her fans. 1. Like a mature adult? What do you mean by that? 2. Name the songs she wrote. I bet we can find the originals, showing she only changed a word or two. That is NOT real songwriting. 3. You haven't seen her arrogance? Didn't you hear Bow Down Bitches? Her instagram pics of a private jet, when her fans are struggling from the recession? Videos of her dirty looks at DC4 members? 4. Madonna has gotten backlashes. So has Rihanna. Have you missed it? 5. Beyonce stans always went on about how Beyonce doesn't lip synch. That's why her lie was a big deal. Oh, and the other performers were live. 6. Youtube vids covering a song doesn't make it timeless or unforgettable. It's just for views and attention at that time. And If I Were A Boy was almost the same as the original done by BC Jean. 7. She only included them just in case her next solo album flopped. The DC reunion rumours died after that. Plus they got her attention. A few minutes at the Super Bowl doesn't make up for being shoved to the back for years. Plus their mics were too low. And they had to perform her solo song. 8. There was an "insider" who said an album was coming out in early Dec. That was said around Nov time. Plus all the promo she did for two years. Plus the Super Bowl, commercials, documentaries, etc. That's not keeping something a secret. 9. She is the one who keeps using her child for attention. Show her or don't. There is no inbetween. Oh, and MJ got kidnapping threats. He had to protect his kids. Plus they got to lead normal lives because no one knew what they looked like. Why bring a dead man up to defend Beyonce? She is nowhere near his level, and never will be. That's stan-like behaviour to bash the dead on Beyonce's behalf, just saying... 10. One of the best performers? By stealing ideas from others? By sliding around like a stripper? By swinging her horse hair wig in front of a fan? By doing the same moves for almost twenty years? Really?! Great singer, yes, when she's not screeching (see Love On Top to make your ears bleed), but so what? One of the best compared to Rihanna, Miley, Katy Perry, and post-breakdown Britney? Big deal! |
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Post by rocky on Jan 30, 2014 1:25:12 GMT
Ok this were I have to defend beyoncé and I'll do it like a mature adult. Ok we all know her biggest hits were not written by her. But to say she doesn't write her own music is an absolute reach. She's written a handful of her songs. I can tell if something was written her or by someone else. Can't comment on her being arrogant I don't know her like that only seen her perform I think it's unfair to judge Miley Cyrus for being sexual. My own favorite artist Janet Jackson sang more raunchier lyric than every female artist and nobody judges her Madonna and Rihanna did it but doesn't get the backlash like Miley doest maybe it's because of the age and every one has a double standard for different artist. The whole lip sync thing she already address that so I don't get why people make a big deal about it when it was all about the president. Every pop star with dancing has lip sync people shouldn't have criticize Ashley for that. Her songs not memorable is based on opinions but to her fans and casual fans like myself some are unforgettable. She's doesn't always sing about being sexy or getting over guys. Why criticize beyoncé for that but not Adele drake and Taylor swift? She does have songs about being in love emotional pain being scared missing someone and second chances. Sweet dreams the acoustic Version was a great hit her fans love. If I were a boy became a song people always wanted to cover and so was halo. Face it destinys child for the first few albums were all about beyoncé I agree she wasn't good at sharing the spotlight. The halftime show was beyoncé's show she didn't have to put Kelly or Michelle but she did cause we wanted to seem them perform again but beyoncé said she was gonna fit a 16 year career in 12 minutes she could've just only performed her solo career. Beyoncé is NOT no damn feminist she needs to cut that out ASAP ! She is a marketing pro very smart about that but why can't she make a secret album. She has a song for her baby yea she was also in the video we seen her baby already she beautiful just like every baby. she doesn't have to show us like at MJ he hid the kids for years. Why should we care if she shows the baby or not do u really care Is beyoncé overrated ? To a certain degree she is for example she's not the best dancer people claim she is wanna see a great dance check my girl Janet kill rhythm nation live. When people think she's good overrated !!! What people and her fans don't give her credit for is her vocals whether u like it or not she does have some sick vocals like on her first tour but she is ONE of the best performers alive. The problem with beyoncé is her lack of originality, stealing credits and her lack of communication with her fans. 1. Like a mature adult? What do you mean by that? 2. Name the songs she wrote. I bet we can find the originals, showing she only changed a word or two. That is NOT real songwriting. 3. You haven't seen her arrogance? Didn't you hear Bow Down Bitches? Her instagram pics of a private jet, when her fans are struggling from the recession? Videos of her dirty looks at DC4 members? 4. Madonna has gotten backlashes. So has Rihanna. Have you missed it? 5. Beyonce stans always went on about how Beyonce doesn't lip synch. That's why her lie was a big deal. Oh, and the other performers were live. 6. Youtube vids covering a song doesn't make it timeless or unforgettable. It's just for views and attention at that time. And If I Were A Boy was almost the same as the original done by BC Jean. 7. She only included them just in case her next solo album flopped. The DC reunion rumours died after that. Plus they got her attention. A few minutes at the Super Bowl doesn't make up for being shoved to the back for years. Plus their mics were too low. And they had to perform her solo song. 8. There was an "insider" who said an album was coming out in early Dec. That was said around Nov time. Plus all the promo she did for two years. Plus the Super Bowl, commercials, documentaries, etc. That's not keeping something a secret. 9. She is the one who keeps using her child for attention. Show her or don't. There is no inbetween. Oh, and MJ got kidnapping threats. He had to protect his kids. Plus they got to led normal lives because no one knew what they looked like. Why bring a dead man up to defend Beyonce? She is nowhere near his level, and never will be. 10. One of the best performers? By stealing ideas from others? By sliding around like a stripper? By swinging her horse hair wig in front of a fan? By doing the same moves for almost twenty years? Really?! Great singer, yes, when she's not screeching (see Love On Top to make your ears bleed), but so what? One of the best compared to Rihanna, Miley, post-breakdown Britney? Big deal! 1. like an adult i dont send death threats tell people to kill themselves hurt family member or stab someone because i didnt know who beyonce was 2.beyonce wrote daddy and heaven the tea about that is she had some grammatically correct it for her 3 i didnt see the video of her giving dirty looks post them, i dont follow her on instagram- youre right i really forgot about bow down 4. madonna and rihanna do get blacklash but they dont go in on them like miley cyrus 5. well those people are stupid if they think beyonce doesnt lip sync as a matter a fact someone on facebook put a video of her lip syncing grown woman 6.not youtube cover i mean those big singing shows. 7. she included them cause it would be stupid of her not to include them everyone wanted to see kelly 8.well sony said a new album was coming in 2014 nobody though the album was coming in dec. i though it was never coming out cause she was scared 9.well her cousin said beyonce was protecting her child idk how but i really dont care if i dont see her child 10.shes one of the best because of her energy and charisma ! doing the same move doesnt make u less of a performer. janet still slays "rhythm nation" "if" "all 4 u" "nasty" "pleasure principle" the same way 20+ year later. i was sayiing beyonce is one of the best but not the best |
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Post by itsawonderfulworld on Jan 30, 2014 5:13:28 GMT
I agree with all of u (except rocky...no shade). Beyonce should have worked on her creativity and yes she should learn an instrument....even lady gaga plays the piano. Her songs are mediocre at best. She hasn't even had a hit in 6 years....really. Beyonce is lazy when it comes to the music. You hardly see pics of her in the studio. She just wants to be seen.....17 vids, long tours. She has to rely on visuals. Who cares about visuals when I'm in the club LISTENING and dancing to the music. She is a feminist, but dances and dresses like a stripper. Beyonce wants to be everything to everybody, she does too much. In the process, she comes off as a walking contradiction its ok i dont get offended when people have opinions! but learn to play an instrument ? that would be too much than people are gonna compare her to alicia keys. she can stick to singing and doing her usual 1,2 step dance moves. for a girl who went to a performing art school beyonce doesnt have a good creative process or thinking at all. she uses a creative director for everything she does fuck that interview where she said "all these ideas are me" we all kno she does nothing. what she needs to do is listen to the fans and fire that creative director she had since she was in DC when letoya and latavia was in it who she claim was her uncle. love on top wasnt a hit someone told me it was a big hit in the US ! and the long tour is for bragging rights for a high grossing she wants to break madonnas tour record so bad and its actually sad..lets be honest is it necessary for a tour to be over 110 shows she failed to beat it so now its 135 shows. madonna can do high numbers with 88 shows. AND your comment "Beyonce wants to be everything to everybody, she does too much. In the process, she comes off as a walking contradiction" YESSS i agree please tell that to fans on TGJ!! another thing about beyonce is that shes rushing to be in the legend status way to fast. shes doing way too much to prove to people shes a legend she needs to wait another 10-15 years if shes still relevant The bolded is everything! I've noticed she was trying to chase P!nk or Madonna last year and when she was name dropping Madonna, I was like yep, she's coming for Madonna's spot (or at least trying) and can't. Like you said Madonna did 88 shows (at larger venues) which means she twice the success for less the work Beyonce puts into her shows. That's sad and pathetic. And I agree with you on the last part; she is rushing this legend status. She was so busy doing what worked for now that she forgot how weak her catalogue is while failing to realize you if you wanted to make your money from that, then make meaningful songs or at least make them memorable. Most people associate her with CIL and SL, and occasionally Halo and Irreplaceable. That's not saying a lot considering when you think of her predecessors, more than four songs come to mind. |
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Post by eljjai on Jan 30, 2014 6:56:09 GMT
Ok we all know her biggest hits were not written by her. But to say she doesn't write her own music is an absolute reach. She's written a handful of her songs.
Madonna and Rihanna did it but doesn't get the backlash The whole lip sync thing she already address that so I don't get why people make a big deal about it Her songs not memorable is based on opinions but to her fans and casual fans like myself some are unforgettable.
She's doesn't always sing about being sexy or getting over guys. She is a marketing pro very smart about that. Beyonce does not, cannot write songs. It's been well reported that Beyonce would simply change a few words here and there and Matty would force the o.g songwriter to give her writing credits. It's been happening forever. Even billboard wrote an article on it. Some writer was interviewed about one of Beyonce's major hits (can't remember which) saying how he wrote it but Beyonce's name appeared in the album cover and he was an up-and-coming writer at the time and Matty just screwed him over coz with Beyonce's name in it he didn't get the exposure he desperately needed. He's a big name now, works with major artists, so he was putting Bey on blast. Why do you think her music sucks so bad nowadays? All the good writers don't want anything to do with her no more. She's been reduced to getting Rihanna rejects. If she doesn't even have an ear for good music how can she even write it? Writing music is a creative process, you said yourself Beyonce lacks creativity. What would she write? In the DC days her and the other girl's (including flippin Solange) names were just put in there to give them more credibility. If you look like you are involved in the process (whether writing the song or arranging music), you automatically get more credibility. You aren't just a set of pipes. You can do the hard work too. Adele gets props because she writes her songs. Musicians who arrange their music and write their songs are seen as much better than those who can only sing. That's why Ratty Matty made sure to make it look like Beyonce wrote songs. You've fallen for the marketing gimmick. Madonna and Rihanna don't get backlash because they do not pretend to be anything other than the skanky women they are. People's issue with Beyonce is that she wants to have it both ways. She wants to show us her coochie lips but have us still thinking she's a pure innocent angel. Selling that story about how Jay Zoo was her first when half the NBA has been there. Pharrel's been there (remember the tat she had on her thigh for him?). Ice Cube's been there and many, many, more people outside of the mandatory industry whoring. Beyonce has always fronted like she sings live all the time during her shows. She let her stans get that idea in their head. Then at the president's thing, she acted as though she were singing live, the whole "I can't hear the music so I'm going to rip out this ear piece and wing it like the pro I am." She was happy to let people think she was singing live and had continued to sing live during technical difficulties. Only when someone called her out did she start making up lame excuses. What annoys me is when she made the room full of reporters at her press conference stand so that she could sing the anthem live. IDIOT, it was never about whether she could sing live or not it was about the fact that at that important moment in history, she chose to pretend to sing (she did not do what she was hired to do), she may as well have brought a boombox and just let her prerecorded track play from there. The pre recorded track is for emergencies in case something goes wrong not for "Ah-don't-feeyl-lahk-sangin-tuhday" moments. All the other singers sang live. Beyonce and her tacky-overdressed-new-money-texas-drag-queen self cheapened the event. Beyonce was not called last moment to sing the anthem, she new ahead of time that she would be singing. It is ridiculously unprofessional not to mention unpatriotic to be so blasse about an event like that. If she new she wouldn't have the time why didn't she decline? Because Beygreedy wants all the light in the world, not just the spotlight, to be on her. Justin Beiber's songs are memorable to his stans too. What were are saying is that they will not stand the test of time. There are songs that are still played today, that have been covered by legends upon legends, we don't even know right off the bat who the original singer was anymore. Example: Bewitched Bothered and Bewildered. Sung by Sinatra, covered by Streisand and many more. Example 2. Fever, sung by Ray Charles (not even sure if he was the firtst), covered by so many people including Beyohoe. Who do you think will be covering Drunk in Love, in 60 years time? Beyonce music is not timeless. It expires faster than milk left out in the sun. Compare the number of times we see beyonce half dressed/ undressed to the number of times we see her dressed when she is on the job. We see her more naked don't we. Even when she sang halo at her concert she did it in a white onesie. The issue is not the actual lyrics in the songs it's the image she protrays 24/7 when she's working. She always naked. It's like every time I se her she's either just closing her legs after opening them or just about to open them. She is always selling sex. That outfit she had on with the white pants on stage recently, I really really liked it. I thought this was the beginning of something new and better for Beyonce, but no. So the issue is she is unneccesarily and overly hypersexual. It's not a good look on a "32" year old woman, leave it to the Mileys of this world. Beyonce is not smart about anything. Beyonce is not smart. This is evidenced by the path her life has taken since the brains were removed from the operation. Brains= Matty. Beyonce has made numerous bad decisions. Let me correct that, Beyonce has made only bad decisions since Matty left. Beyonce is not a marketing pro. Matty is a marketing pro. The closest she ever got to white acceptance was when Matty was managing her (dream girls era). Ever since Matty left the Beyonce brand has been declining in likeability and her marketability is pretty much circling the toilet right now. Does she have any new l'oreal commercials out lately? Where are the major designers that want her to rep their brand like Armani did at her height? Gwyneth still reps estee lauder. That french girl (marion sumthin) is still repping Dior. Rih just got Balenciaga is it? These are all women with very different images. But they are marketable which is why they are repping major brands. Beyonce is no longer marketable, don't believe me, ask Pepsi's sales execs. |
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Post by eljjai on Jan 30, 2014 6:57:33 GMT
^^^ Got me writing dissertations on flippin beyondwhore. Procrastination is a helluva drug.
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Post by ladycc on Jan 30, 2014 11:17:46 GMT
Ok this were I have to defend beyoncé and I'll do it like a mature adult. Ok we all know her biggest hits were not written by her. But to say she doesn't write her own music is an absolute reach. She's written a handful of her songs. I can tell if something was written her or by someone else. Can't comment on her being arrogant I don't know her like that only seen her perform I think it's unfair to judge Miley Cyrus for being sexual. My own favorite artist Janet Jackson sang more raunchier lyric than every female artist and nobody judges her Madonna and Rihanna did it but doesn't get the backlash like Miley doest maybe it's because of the age and every one has a double standard for different artist. The whole lip sync thing she already address that so I don't get why people make a big deal about it when it was all about the president. Every pop star with dancing has lip sync people shouldn't have criticize Ashley for that. Her songs not memorable is based on opinions but to her fans and casual fans like myself some are unforgettable. She's doesn't always sing about being sexy or getting over guys. Why criticize beyoncé for that but not Adele drake and Taylor swift? She does have songs about being in love emotional pain being scared missing someone and second chances. Sweet dreams the acoustic Version was a great hit her fans love. If I were a boy became a song people always wanted to cover and so was halo. Face it destinys child for the first few albums were all about beyoncé I agree she wasn't good at sharing the spotlight. The halftime show was beyoncé's show she didn't have to put Kelly or Michelle but she did cause we wanted to seem them perform again but beyoncé said she was gonna fit a 16 year career in 12 minutes she could've just only performed her solo career. Beyoncé is NOT no damn feminist she needs to cut that out ASAP ! She is a marketing pro very smart about that but why can't she make a secret album. She has a song for her baby yea she was also in the video we seen her baby already she beautiful just like every baby. she doesn't have to show us like at MJ he hid the kids for years. Why should we care if she shows the baby or not do u really care Is beyoncé overrated ? To a certain degree she is for example she's not the best dancer people claim she is wanna see a great dance check my girl Janet kill rhythm nation live. When people think she's good overrated !!! What people and her fans don't give her credit for is her vocals whether u like it or not she does have some sick vocals like on her first tour but she is ONE of the best performers alive. The problem with beyoncé is her lack of originality, stealing credits and her lack of communication with her fans. 1. Like a mature adult? What do you mean by that? 2. Name the songs she wrote. I bet we can find the originals, showing she only changed a word or two. That is NOT real songwriting. 3. You haven't seen her arrogance? Didn't you hear Bow Down Bitches? Her instagram pics of a private jet, when her fans are struggling from the recession? Videos of her dirty looks at DC4 members? 4. Madonna has gotten backlashes. So has Rihanna. Have you missed it? 5. Beyonce stans always went on about how Beyonce doesn't lip synch. That's why her lie was a big deal. Oh, and the other performers were live. 6. Youtube vids covering a song doesn't make it timeless or unforgettable. It's just for views and attention at that time. And If I Were A Boy was almost the same as the original done by BC Jean. 7. She only included them just in case her next solo album flopped. The DC reunion rumours died after that. Plus they got her attention. A few minutes at the Super Bowl doesn't make up for being shoved to the back for years. Plus their mics were too low. And they had to perform her solo song. 8. There was an "insider" who said an album was coming out in early Dec. That was said around Nov time. Plus all the promo she did for two years. Plus the Super Bowl, commercials, documentaries, etc. That's not keeping something a secret. 9. She is the one who keeps using her child for attention. Show her or don't. There is no inbetween. Oh, and MJ got kidnapping threats. He had to protect his kids. Plus they got to lead normal lives because no one knew what they looked like. Why bring a dead man up to defend Beyonce? She is nowhere near his level, and never will be. That's stan-like behaviour to bash the dead on Beyonce's behalf, just saying... 10. One of the best performers? By stealing ideas from others? By sliding around like a stripper? By swinging her horse hair wig in front of a fan? By doing the same moves for almost twenty years? Really?! Great singer, yes, when she's not screeching (see Love On Top to make your ears bleed), but so what? One of the best compared to Rihanna, Miley, Katy Perry, and post-breakdown Britney? Big deal! You better tell it! ALL of your points are VALID & TRUE. The comments by Rocky are bias.. you must see & hear what you're TOLD to |
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Post by ladycc on Jan 30, 2014 11:39:42 GMT
Response to Elijah's comment above..
Thank you for that sermon..Yessssss! You spoke the truth & gave the gospel on this fraud named ScooBEYDoo. I'm so hyped up.. I can't even type Ahahaaa!
Just keep telling those who don't no any better the absolute truth about that woman. Like I said before.. she & Jay will destroy themselves in the end..just watch.
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Post by ladycc on Jan 30, 2014 11:42:05 GMT
Sorry its Eljjai* my mistake
Xx hugs ^_^
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Post by Jordan Jada on Jan 30, 2014 19:45:15 GMT
Beyonce is overrated because she is ALWAYS FORCING THE "LEGENDARY STATUS" ON THE PUBLIC instead of letting her work SPEAK FOR ITSELF. But when 80% of your catalogue is made of shallow, cliché, stupid songs, you can't really become a legend. You can't decide for the public, it's the public who decides for you because they are the one who are buying your records. So saying "I am a legend, just eat it and believe it because I said so" is not working. ICONS ARE MADE BY THE PEOPLE.
Legends are not just "good" or "above average", they are GREAT. Greatness is what makes an icon. Something unique, refreshing, and timeless. If you think Beyonce is "great" or one the best artists and performers out there, then let met you this straight: YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MUSIC.
Think about it: when you have competition from Rihanna, Miley, Katy Perry, Kesha, Justin Bieber, who can't sing a damn note right to save their lives lol... It's very easy to be Beyonce, and then be seen as "great". She is simply the best of the worst, lol. And I am a Beyonce fan! I mean I enjoy a lot of her songs but I know what great music is, and sorry Bey's music is everything but timeless. Except for her first album (which was good) there's nothing in her discography that could stand the test of time. And when you put her just next to the REAL LEGENDS (MJ, Janet, Whitney, Mariah, Prince, Tina, etc...) she's not even close.
Let's look at her talents. Yes, she is a good singer. You must be a damn hater to say she can't sing. But again she is far from the best. J.Hudson sings the hell out of her (hence why she was the real star in Dreamgirls). She's got nothing on Monica, Jazmine Sullivan and Keyshia Cole. She can't even touch Christina Aguilera or Ariana Grande vocally. Beyonce is a well trained singer which gives people the illusion she has a amazing voice, the truth is she just learned how to use it well and that's it. Her stans always brag about her "perfect singing technique". OK. Another thing I have noticed, her voice is really bland, she can't share any emotion through her singing. She has NO SOUL in her voice. Listen to Amy Winehouse singing "Back to Black", Lauryn Hill "Killing me soflty" with the fugees or Mary J Blige "No more drama" or "My Life". THIS IS WHAT I CALL SINGING.
People always gush about Bey being a amazing performer, but she's average at best. She is not a dancer. She keeps doing the same dance moves (flipping her Mufasa weave, pussy popping, shaking her booty) nah that's NOT dancing. Watch Ciara and Chris Brown and you'll get real dancing, not the nonsense BeySnooze does on stage.
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Post by HypeDefiance on Jan 30, 2014 23:00:35 GMT
I usually skip Rocky's comments because I find any praise leveled at Beyoncé heave-inducing, but I read them and I have to admit that they're not (per the comments here) annoying like I assumed they'd be. Rocky DID respond in a normal, non-fanatical, thoughtful way and I appreciate that. I don't agree with Rocky's points, but the comments themselves didn't irk me (once I went back and read them, lol) and that's commendable.
On the topic of the OP - I think it's an appropriate, to-the-point takedown of ol' Dessy Bey. Because of the amount of hype that makes up Beyoncé's public and professional image and output, I don't think anything about her is sincere. And that's problematic for the time we're in, given the effect pop culture has on real life and society. She's deeply, desperately damaging to women and girls (especially, but not limited to, women and girls of color). As a performer, I find her braying tone and vocal techniques grating and "try hard"; her "dancing" is a mockery of the craft of movement - full of bored, simplistic repetition and haughty, smug pilfering (ripping off other performers and innovators); her "creativity" pathological and kleptomaniacal. I hate that upcoming singers idolize and imitate her.
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Post by ladycc on Jan 31, 2014 23:16:23 GMT
I usually skip Rocky's comments because I find any praise leveled at Beyoncé heave-inducing, but I read them and I have to admit that they're not (per the comments here) annoying like I assumed they'd be. Rocky DID respond in a normal, non-fanatical, thoughtful way and I appreciate that. I don't agree with Rocky's points, but the comments themselves didn't irk me (once I went back and read them, lol) and that's commendable. On the topic of the OP - I think it's an appropriate, to-the-point takedown of ol' Dessy Bey. Because of the amount of hype that makes up Beyoncé's public and professional image and output, I don't think anything about her is sincere. And that's problematic for the time we're in, given the effect pop culture has on real life and society. She's deeply, desperately damaging to women and girls (especially, but not limited to, women and girls of color). As a performer, I find her braying tone and vocal techniques grating and "try hard"; her "dancing" is a mockery of the craft of movement - full of bored, simplistic repetition and haughty, smug pilfering (ripping off other performers and innovators); her "creativity" pathological and kleptomaniacal. I hate that upcoming singers idolize and imitate her. Yes I can say Rocky was thoughtful..however as i read on more and more I could clearly see he/she was leaning towards defense team. Although Rocky was unswate of many known facts about this woman. |
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Post by eljjai on Feb 1, 2014 1:43:11 GMT
^^^ When Rocky first came in, (She's a lady and expecting too I think, wish her well)She could hardly contain her feelings for Beyonce. Came in swinging she did, with shade and undertones in almost every post but I do notice she has mellowed. She might see the light soon. I don't require that everybody hate Beyonce, heck even I don't hate her, but I would like if everyone could be awake to her BS and that of the entire industry as well.
^^^^ Hold up, I think I'm merging her with the poster called Kanyade. but she does stick up for Beyonce from time to time.
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Post by Elle McRealson on Feb 1, 2014 21:19:52 GMT
1. Like a mature adult? What do you mean by that? 2. Name the songs she wrote. I bet we can find the originals, showing she only changed a word or two. That is NOT real songwriting. 3. You haven't seen her arrogance? Didn't you hear Bow Down Bitches? Her instagram pics of a private jet, when her fans are struggling from the recession? Videos of her dirty looks at DC4 members? 4. Madonna has gotten backlashes. So has Rihanna. Have you missed it? 5. Beyonce stans always went on about how Beyonce doesn't lip synch. That's why her lie was a big deal. Oh, and the other performers were live.
6. Youtube vids covering a song doesn't make it timeless or unforgettable. It's just for views and attention at that time. And If I Were A Boy was almost the same as the original done by BC Jean. 7. She only included them just in case her next solo album flopped. The DC reunion rumours died after that. Plus they got her attention. A few minutes at the Super Bowl doesn't make up for being shoved to the back for years. Plus their mics were too low. And they had to perform her solo song. 8. There was an "insider" who said an album was coming out in early Dec. That was said around Nov time. Plus all the promo she did for two years. Plus the Super Bowl, commercials, documentaries, etc. That's not keeping something a secret. 9. She is the one who keeps using her child for attention. Show her or don't. There is no inbetween. Oh, and MJ got kidnapping threats. He had to protect his kids. Plus they got to lead normal lives because no one knew what they looked like. Why bring a dead man up to defend Beyonce? She is nowhere near his level, and never will be. That's stan-like behaviour to bash the dead on Beyonce's behalf, just saying...10. One of the best performers? By stealing ideas from others? By sliding around like a stripper? By swinging her horse hair wig in front of a fan? By doing the same moves for almost twenty years? Really?! Great singer, yes, when she's not screeching (see Love On Top to make your ears bleed), but so what? One of the best compared to Rihanna, Miley, Katy Perry, and post-breakdown Britney? Big deal!PREACH! To expand on your #8 post, Yes for ALL of 2013 there has been countless rumors on her 5th album, even a track list for the album was floating around the net, she released like 575,678 buzz tracks, dozens of pointless instagram photos, SuperBowl, Documentries, Tours, Inauguration, I mean the bitch had the biggest promo ever. She just didn't do it the traditional way of going on talk shows and announcing the actual date of release, but she sure as hell build up hype for it.
And as for your #9 post, don't even get me started, so sick of these dumb stans (of all artist but mostly beyonces) always bringing up MJ. Leave his name OUT OF IT. Your fav Artist is NOT on Michael Jacksons level nor NEVER will be, I don't get why they drag his name into things hoping it will help their sorry arguments. Also MJ was the most famous celebrity on the planet, and he managed to keep his kids hidden and never exploited them.
and Finally for you #10 post, the girl never did any wow dancing. So, she swings her weave, and gyrates her crotch. who cares.
Thank you!!! No one is even close to Michael Jackson's lane! Its not even possible for Beyonce to even try put on a signal light to get into his lane! And yet he remained humble, never told anybody to bow down...I appreciate his style!    |
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Post by belladonna1983 on Feb 5, 2014 5:30:41 GMT
THIS ARTICLE SAID IT ALL!!!
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Post by ladycc on Feb 6, 2014 11:18:07 GMT
^^^ When Rocky first came in, (She's a lady and expecting too I think, wish her well)She could hardly contain her feelings for Beyonce. Came in swinging she did, with shade and undertones in almost every post but I do notice she has mellowed. She might see the light soon. I don't require that everybody hate Beyonce, heck even I don't hate her, but I would like if everyone could be awake to her BS and that of the entire industry as well. ^^^^ Hold up, I think I'm merging her with the poster called Kanyade. but she does stick up for Beyonce from time to time. Yes..I can see her point. Congrats on her expecting..children are a blessings. I agreed I don't recommend hate..however I don't condone liars such as Mr. & Mrs. Carter & Crew. I mean I'm speaking freely here as a former fan & supporter of them both. I was awakened years ago though..from Mr. Cartwheels first after that Nas battle. |
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