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Post by backup26 on Feb 25, 2014 7:10:31 GMT
www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php?p=16434248Here is the link to a thread on Lipstick Alley. They ask is Beyonce hypocritical for promoting female empowerment when she has no GED. I personally think so. I believe that if anything we should teach our young girls that education is important so that they can have those successful careers. Beyonce may be successful but I think an education would possibly take her further and maybe if she had one she could hold our attention better than with silly overpaid stripper tricks.
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Post by missy on Feb 25, 2014 12:19:32 GMT
Yes that would show female empowerment. She should do like Fantasia. She would be seen in a positive light for once. To me something like that would be a great start at a new clean beginning. If that's what she wants, but they say prostitution and stripping is like a drug, it's hard to stop it. And from what the world has been seeing, we can forget about a GED for this child. Poor Blue. Money is one thing, morals, dignity, self respect and self discipline is something else.
Nice post!! Everyone have a safe and blessed day.
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Post by shanaelmsford on Feb 25, 2014 16:39:26 GMT
While I certainly believe that education can be a tool of empowerment (with a few caveats, because all education isn't GOOD education) I don't think that Beysic getting her GED would make much of a difference to most of the people who support her. Nothing about her image or her music says "improve your mind" or "be knowledgeable about the world around you". She's mostly about boasting, materialism, alternating between groveling for men and pushing them away, and lately she's about desperate, showy sexuality so that she can play catch up with younger girls. Her music and image are mostly low-minded. The people who like her music/image for what it is aren't going to care about her GED because her low-mindedness appeals to them.
Personally I'm not as bothered by the lack of diploma/GED as much as I'm bothered by her complete lack of intellectual curiosity or prowess. Formal education isn't the only way to learn but it's obvious that Beysic really doesn't prioritize any kind of education. Most people would expect that someone who's well-traveled and has access to many resources would carry herself/himself differently than someone who's never left their back porch and had never even been to a library. Beysic is definitely one of those "back porch, no library" people and though her speech has improved slightly since she first became famous you can see that her intellect hasn't changed much at all. Take her interviews and contrast them with MJ's, who her stans like to think that she's at least on par with or better than. Michael didn't have any formal education past HS but his intellectual curiosity lead him to be an autodidact. He was an educated person and it showed in his words and how he carried himself. His origins were much humbler than Beydummy's but he didn't use that as an excuse to be simple-minded as a grown man. He also didn't think that material trappings were a substitute for being knowledgeable and caring, which is what Camel and Bey seem to think. They're interested in promoting the illusion of being savvy and philanthropic but really they're just self-absorbed dummies. I think they're so impressed with their 'achievements' and their own egos that they don't see the value in improving themselves through education. THAT's why Beysic and Bullwinkle will probably never really seek more education, GED or not. That's also why they're setting such a poor example for their daughter. She may not understand it now but as she gets older she's going to absorb the values that her parents set out for her unless someone intervenes. I'd hope that she would at least finish HS but she may end up with the same mentality as her mother's Stans - "I don't need to do that to be successful. I can have cars, money, clothes, etc without that piece of paper...I'm a DIVA!"
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Post by Guest XXX on Feb 25, 2014 20:27:38 GMT
While I certainly believe that education can be a tool of empowerment (with a few caveats, because all education isn't GOOD education) I don't think that Beysic getting her GED would make much of a difference to most of the people who support her. Nothing about her image or her music says "improve your mind" or "be knowledgeable about the world around you". She's mostly about boasting, materialism, alternating between groveling for men and pushing them away, and lately she's about desperate, showy sexuality so that she can play catch up with younger girls. Her music and image are mostly low-minded. The people who like her music/image for what it is aren't going to care about her GED because her low-mindedness appeals to them. Personally I'm not as bothered by the lack of diploma/GED as much as I'm bothered by her complete lack of intellectual curiosity or prowess. Formal education isn't the only way to learn but it's obvious that Beysic really doesn't prioritize any kind of education. Most people would expect that someone who's well-traveled and has access to many resources would carry herself/himself differently than someone who's never left their back porch and had never even been to a library. Beysic is definitely one of those "back porch, no library" people and though her speech has improved slightly since she first became famous you can see that her intellect hasn't changed much at all. Take her interviews and contrast them with MJ's, who her stans like to think that she's at least on par with or better than. Michael didn't have any formal education past HS but his intellectual curiosity lead him to be an autodidact. He was an educated person and it showed in his words and how he carried himself. His origins were much humbler than Beydummy's but he didn't use that as an excuse to be simple-minded as a grown man. He also didn't think that material trappings were a substitute for being knowledgeable and caring, which is what Camel and Bey seem to think. They're interested in promoting the illusion of being savvy and philanthropic but really they're just self-absorbed dummies. I think they're so impressed with their 'achievements' and their own egos that they don't see the value in improving themselves through education. THAT's why Beysic and Bullwinkle will probably never really seek more education, GED or not. That's also why they're setting such a poor example for their daughter. She may not understand it now but as she gets older she's going to absorb the values that her parents set out for her unless someone intervenes. I'd hope that she would at least finish HS but she may end up with the same mentality as her mother's Stans - "I don't need to do that to be successful. I can have cars, money, clothes, etc without that piece of paper...I'm a DIVA!" Ditto and Loved your entire comment! I too have never really cared about Bey's education or lack thereof. My main concern about this woman has always been about the kids and knuckleheads that follow and imitate her. I know all too well that it doesn't take a Ph.D to understand one's influence on the world when the spotlight is always on you. Image is everything to this woman and she has always manipulated hers to fit a certain faux image. And just this alone and within itself is her manipulating the public because they (the public) so desperately want to believe that this woman is the saving grace for all humanity. They are dumbed down by the fantasy. People say that this woman isn't the one to be raising other people's kids..."It's the parents job." Yet they fail to see that there are a lot of parents out there who just don't give a damn about their kids and their kids damn near raise themselves. So they look on to others to learn what to do and how to do things. They say..."That's not Bey's problem or ours." Yet, they forget these kids grow up and cause a ruckus in the world and may just so happen to effect their lives in some tragic way. (Tune in on your cable channel called, 'ID'. Each one of those criminals use to be children, too.) A lot of people won't realize this until something awful happens that hits very close to home. Meanwhile, Bey puts all these things out that effect others, yet she lives in a well secured home(s) with bodyguards around her 24/7. I'm sure most of the Beyhive know nothing about this kind of life. They have to deal with reality more than she does. |
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Post by shanaelmsford on Feb 25, 2014 21:50:44 GMT
I don't want to derail but I came across these on Tumblr today and I thought they were relevant to the thread
These young women had dropped out of HS but they were so inspired by Janet's music that they went back and graduated. I could see Beydummy's camp cooking up something like this for publicity but really, which one of her songs would they claim as inspiration?
Bey would never make songs like "State of the World", "New Agenda", "Rhythm Nation" or "The Knowledge" because that's not how she wants to inspire (one of her favorite words, lol) people.
Edit*: Guest XXX, you're right. Unfortunately there are some people who only get guidance from entertainment. It may not be her primary responsibility but as someone who holds herself up as someone to be admired one would think that Bey would want to set a better example for her fans. She has a lot of empty talk when it comes to issues (e.g., Chime for Change) but no real action. Like you said, she's not living the same reality as most of her fans so she can pay lipservice about valuing education (or voters' rights, gun control, gender equality, etc.) because the consequences aren't the same for her.
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Post by Heidi on Feb 26, 2014 1:02:19 GMT
All Beyoncce cares about as reflected in her music is looking sexy and keeping dic/a man or husband and money in her life!
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Post by Elle McRealson on Feb 26, 2014 19:11:13 GMT
I don't want to derail but I came across these on Tumblr today and I thought they were relevant to the thread These young women had dropped out of HS but they were so inspired by Janet's music that they went back and graduated. I could see Beydummy's camp cooking up something like this for publicity but really, which one of her songs would they claim as inspiration? Bey would never make songs like "State of the World", "New Agenda", "Rhythm Nation" or "The Knowledge" because that's not how she wants to inspire (one of her favorite words, lol) people. Edit*: Guest XXX, you're right. Unfortunately there are some people who only get guidance from entertainment. It may not be her primary responsibility but as someone who holds herself up as someone to be admired one would think that Bey would want to set a better example for her fans. She has a lot of empty talk when it comes to issues (e.g., Chime for Change) but no real action. Like you said, she's not living the same reality as most of her fans so she can pay lipservice about valuing education (or voters' rights, gun control, gender equality, etc.) because the consequences aren't the same for her. Shanealmsford, and this is why I love Janet!!! I remember that award show, I remember being inspired by "State of the world", "The knowledge" "Can't be stopped" this is why I get in my feelings when Beyonce's stans try to compare her new sexier image to Janet's evolution. Their journeys aren't the same. Janet is a multi-demsional artist, she has socially conscious music that has really inspired many people, myself included through dark times, dance music, senual music etc...Thank you for posting this, I don't even have the words to express how much that touched my heart...  |
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Post by Elle McRealson on Feb 26, 2014 22:29:44 GMT
All Beyoncce cares about as reflected in her music is looking sexy and keeping dic/a man or husband and money in her life! Truth...her music is all about her EGO!  |
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Post by beysforgottenpants on Feb 28, 2014 15:27:59 GMT
I don't want to derail but I came across these on Tumblr today and I thought they were relevant to the thread These young women had dropped out of HS but they were so inspired by Janet's music that they went back and graduated. I could see Beydummy's camp cooking up something like this for publicity but really, which one of her songs would they claim as inspiration? Bey would never make songs like "State of the World", "New Agenda", "Rhythm Nation" or "The Knowledge" because that's not how she wants to inspire (one of her favorite words, lol) people. Edit*: Guest XXX, you're right. Unfortunately there are some people who only get guidance from entertainment. It may not be her primary responsibility but as someone who holds herself up as someone to be admired one would think that Bey would want to set a better example for her fans. She has a lot of empty talk when it comes to issues (e.g., Chime for Change) but no real action. Like you said, she's not living the same reality as most of her fans so she can pay lipservice about valuing education (or voters' rights, gun control, gender equality, etc.) because the consequences aren't the same for her. Shanealmsford, and this is why I love Janet!!! I remember that award show, I remember being inspired by "State of the world", "The knowledge" "Can't be stopped" this is why I get in my feelings when Beyonce's stans try to compare her new sexier image to Janet's evolution. Their journeys aren't the same. Janet is a multi-demsional artist, she has socially conscious music that has really inspired many people, myself included through dark times, dance music, senual music etc...Thank you for posting this, I don't even have the words to express how much that touched my heart... OMG your post made me tear up and you mentioning New Agenda reminded me of why I chose the profession I'm in and live the way I do. I still remember the verse that changed it all for me. No No -because of gender I've heard no too many times
No No -because of my race I've heard no too many times
No No - but with every No I grow in strength that is why
African American woman I stand tall with pride!That beats some shitty song about swallowing (watermelon) seeds any day of the week! |
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Post by Elle McRealson on Feb 28, 2014 21:41:58 GMT
Shanealmsford, and this is why I love Janet!!! I remember that award show, I remember being inspired by "State of the world", "The knowledge" "Can't be stopped" this is why I get in my feelings when Beyonce's stans try to compare her new sexier image to Janet's evolution. Their journeys aren't the same. Janet is a multi-demsional artist, she has socially conscious music that has really inspired many people, myself included through dark times, dance music, senual music etc...Thank you for posting this, I don't even have the words to express how much that touched my heart... OMG your post made me tear up and you mentioning New Agenda reminded me of why I chose the profession I'm in and live the way I do. I still remember the verse that changed it all for me. No No -because of gender I've heard no too many times
No No -because of my race I've heard no too many times
No No - but with every No I grow in strength that is why
African American woman I stand tall with pride!That beats some shitty song about swallowing (watermelon) seeds any day of the week! Beysforgottenpants, I feel you, I had a moment when I watched that clip from the awards show!Love that song!!! A true artist inspires people to become better through their art. Beyonce is a plagiarist (for the Stans that means:an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author,a piece of writing or other work reflecting such unauthorized use or imitation) who is constantly "inspired" by others....those disgusting watermelon/moncia lewinsky etc lines are poison to her young impressionable fans
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Post by Guest XXX on Mar 14, 2014 6:29:14 GMT
A lot of these comments are very touching. Ms. Janet has always been a force to be reckoned with. And no matter how shy she comes off, she also comes off as genuine, which is saying a lot because unlike Beyonce who wants to brag on how privileged she was, Ms. Jackson has only known a life of wealth. Trust me...Beyonce's family was poor in comparison. Janet and Michael did not brag about anything and I've never heard anyone say they acted snobby or above anyone. The most I'd hear about is how painfully shy they were. This Beyonce woman is a joke. For the life of me I can't understand what it is about her that her stans scream to the highest mountain top about how much she influences them in a good way. They say, "She's a good role model." Oh really? When I think about people like Janet and what she's done, then I see videos like those posted in this thread...Beyonce has a lot of catching up to do. And I know better than to hold my breath waiting to see Bey do better. It ain't gonna happen and if it does it's because she has aged and can't keep up with the younger artist, but still hungry for attention. Sure...I've seen Bey slap her name onto something charitable, but she never comes off genuine to me. Just like her big mouth shouting about being a feminist...HOGWASH! Where was her love of being a feminist and respecting other women and their work, when she stole the song, 'If I Were a Boy', from BC Jean? And if she bought it from that woman, did she pay her fairly? Did she help promote this woman after the success of that song? No hand holding, singing, 'Girls Run the World, sister-hood... Kumbaya no where in sight. Some damn role model she is. If anything she has caused division among women with her colorism, her bragging, her stepford wives ways, people manipulating skills, promoting her love for being that bottom bitch, never promoting education, but showing what she's achieved without any. Ugh! The list goes on... It's all BS and for the First Family to say she's a good role model only increases more idiots to admire her because they said so. So she must be special....(rolls eyes) Chile, I guess..
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