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Post by belladonna1983 on Jun 27, 2014 12:36:30 GMT
You know what I think she SHOULD have done?
I think back when she was hot, the DIL days, she should have just DATED Jay-Z......had like, a really hot, exciting romance with a "bad boy"....rode that, and still made a name for herself by being edgy while doing so.......and then right around the B-Day era, instead of marrying Camel, she should have left him, and then linked up with either a very obscure, unknown millionaire/billionaire.
She woulda had the best of both worlds - she coulda used Sean Carter to lift off (like she did), but then she would have been able to dump his ass, and continue to keep her good image, glamourous brand, and "Upgrade Self" to a better man to actually marry and procreate with. I hate to say it, and Blue is a precious, beautiful child, BUT yes, she has been a hindrance to Bey's career because of who her father is...her and her father killed any sort of glamorous look her life had.
Honestly, I wish she had done that.... as a former fan, I think she didnt need him, and people really dont like him being attached to her, because he weakened her brand.
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Post by missy on Jun 27, 2014 13:49:00 GMT
Girl, you better preach!!
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Post by shanaelmsford on Jun 27, 2014 14:15:23 GMT
She could have done that belladonna, but she's not savvy enough to think that far ahead. She's not like Jennifer Lopez, who used Piddy da Fool to boost her street cred (I'm not saying they weren't really in love, but that relationship did a lot for her "urban" appeal on her first couple of albums), used Ben Affleck to boost her mainstream crossover appeal (her appearance became a lot blonder and whiter, more Genevieve from Park Avenue than Jenny from the Block), and then used Marc Anthony to pop out some kids and reestablish herself with Latinos.
I think that Matthew is savvy enough to orchestrate something like what you're talking about but Bey isn't. Since she's never really had to think for herself Matt didn't really teach her how to strategize like that; it was probably his way of insuring that he'd stay on her payroll indefinitely. Also, he probably didn't put his foot down enough when it came to how romantic partners can affect one's image. If he had Beydummy's life could be very different right now. She could have married some wealthy private citizen like you mentioned or she could have married a politician/diplomat and secured some political power for herself. She even could have married another pop artist with comparable image and pubic appeal if being music "royalty" was really that important to her. Instead of being "On the Run" with Joe Camel she could have been on the "Caught Up" tour as Mrs Knowles-Raymond or the "Take Back the Night" tour as Mrs. Knowles-Timberlake (I'm not saying either of these dudes wanted her, I'm just giving examples of what could have been).
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Post by belladonna1983 on Jun 27, 2014 14:52:45 GMT
Girl, you better preach!! Yep! Tell me she wouldnt have been on fiyah!! Same with Whitney and Bobby! Except Nippy still had enough raw talent to make up
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Post by belladonna1983 on Jun 27, 2014 14:54:04 GMT
She could have done that belladonna, but she's not savvy enough to think that far ahead. She's not like Jennifer Lopez, who used Piddy da Fool to boost her street cred (I'm not saying they weren't really in love, but that relationship did a lot for her "urban" appeal on her first couple of albums), used Ben Affleck to boost her mainstream crossover appeal (her appearance became a lot blonder and whiter, more Genevieve from Park Avenue than Jenny from the Block), and then used Marc Anthony to pop out some kids and reestablish herself with Latinos. I think that Matthew is savvy enough to orchestrate something like what you're talking about but Bey isn't. Since she's never really had to think for herself Matt didn't really teach her how to strategize like that; it was probably his way of insuring that he'd stay on her payroll indefinitely. Also, he probably didn't put his foot down enough when it came to how romantic partners can affect one's image. If he had Beydummy's life could be very different right now. She could have married some wealthy private citizen like you mentioned or she could have married a politician/diplomat and secured some political power for herself. She even could have married another pop artist with comparable image and pubic appeal if being music "royalty" was really that important to her. Instead of being "On the Run" with Joe Camel she could have been on the "Caught Up" tour as Mrs Knowles-Raymond or the "Take Back the Night" tour as Mrs. Knowles-Timberlake (I'm not saying either of these dudes wanted her, I'm just giving examples of what could have been). YASSSS! I agree with all you said! If Bey had played it like J-Lo, we'd be seeing a different Bey today. She might still have a career that's falling off (it happens to the best of them) but at least her image wouldnt be as tarnished and confusing!
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Post by belladonna1983 on Jun 27, 2014 14:55:03 GMT
She could have done that belladonna, but she's not savvy enough to think that far ahead. She's not like Jennifer Lopez, who used Piddy da Fool to boost her street cred (I'm not saying they weren't really in love, but that relationship did a lot for her "urban" appeal on her first couple of albums), used Ben Affleck to boost her mainstream crossover appeal (her appearance became a lot blonder and whiter, more Genevieve from Park Avenue than Jenny from the Block), and then used Marc Anthony to pop out some kids and reestablish herself with Latinos. I think that Matthew is savvy enough to orchestrate something like what you're talking about but Bey isn't. Since she's never really had to think for herself Matt didn't really teach her how to strategize like that; it was probably his way of insuring that he'd stay on her payroll indefinitely. Also, he probably didn't put his foot down enough when it came to how romantic partners can affect one's image. If he had Beydummy's life could be very different right now. She could have married some wealthy private citizen like you mentioned or she could have married a politician/diplomat and secured some political power for herself. She even could have married another pop artist with comparable image and pubic appeal if being music "royalty" was really that important to her. Instead of being "On the Run" with Joe Camel she could have been on the "Caught Up" tour as Mrs Knowles-Raymond or the "Take Back the Night" tour as Mrs. Knowles-Timberlake (I'm not saying either of these dudes wanted her, I'm just giving examples of what could have been). ""Caught Up" tour as Mrs Knowles-Raymond or the "Take Back the Night" tour as Mrs. Knowles-Timberlake " Girl. Its not even MY LIFE, and I'm fantasizing about how nice of a look that coulda been for her!!!
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Post by belladonna1983 on Jun 27, 2014 14:55:41 GMT
Nope, no more glamour.
Instead, she's riding camel humps and gettin dromedary nuts busted on her in the back seat of limo's........tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Post by missy on Jun 28, 2014 2:59:21 GMT
She better think of another way, and fast cuz umm....
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Post by missy on Jun 28, 2014 3:02:04 GMT
She better think of another way, and fast cuz umm.... And what's wrong with this pic.....30 waa?
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Post by shanaelmsford on Jun 28, 2014 4:09:44 GMT
Yikes! She looks like she's been digging for coal face-first (no way she's only a couple of years older than me). Bey also looks strung out. She was mad about those Super Bowl pictures last year but these are 10x worse...
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Post by Guest123 on Jun 28, 2014 12:58:42 GMT
You all (in my opinion) give Beyonce wayyyyy too much credit. It's easy to say oh, she should have married a diplomat but as a person, through the blessings that I have been given, I have had the opportunity to work with 'diplomats' and attend graduate school with their children, have had some leisure moments with them and from my direct and personal experience, education is wayyyy to important and expected that none of them would be interested in marrying remedial Beyonce, and she is remedial.
The ability to talk across subjects, industries, countries, cultures, trends (not pop culture---financial, social, historical) is just basic and again expected. Beyonce is not cultured in this manner in the least, in fact, she is the opposite, she is uncultured, uneducated, unrefined and unsuitable as a spouse for these types. A F&(*C perhaps, but marraige? To a girl woman that can't even talk, but looks good, naw.
The joke is on the black community once again for all this "queen garbage' this is an insult to all the true queens of our community. That overcame, that educated themselves, their families, that stood for something substantive, that were truly humble, God fearing soldiers and warriors.
Beyonce is with the person she belongs with, he is the male versio of her. A thirsty, ready to be used to be "exalted" in the black community at the expense of the community. no values, ethics, morals, just a whole lot of fake fake and more fake,
They need to be run out of the community, door locked so we can do the work to heal our community from years of toxic waste in the form of this death music and death images.
Usher, perhaps, another R&B person, but diplomats, millionaires, BWAHAAAAAAA they have money to buy 'fine' women and they do, they marry for much much more than what some black people obviously think is the prize, looks are not even the top 21) family background 2) personal background--education, interests, etc... 3) Maybe Looks start coming in...
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Post by Ivory on Jun 28, 2014 15:48:09 GMT
You all (in my opinion) give Beyonce wayyyyy too much credit. It's easy to say oh, she should have married a diplomat but as a person, through the blessings that I have been given, I have had the opportunity to work with 'diplomats' and attend graduate school with their children, have had some leisure moments with them and from my direct and personal experience, education is wayyyy to important and expected that none of them would be interested in marrying remedial Beyonce, and she is remedial. The ability to talk across subjects, industries, countries, cultures, trends (not pop culture---financial, social, historical) is just basic and again expected. Beyonce is not cultured in this manner in the least, in fact, she is the opposite, she is uncultured, uneducated, unrefined and unsuitable as a spouse for these types. A F&(*C perhaps, but marraige? To a girl woman that can't even talk, but looks good, naw. The joke is on the black community once again for all this "queen garbage' this is an insult to all the true queens of our community. That overcame, that educated themselves, their families, that stood for something substantive, that were truly humble, God fearing soldiers and warriors. Beyonce is with the person she belongs with, he is the male versio of her. A thirsty, ready to be used to be "exalted" in the black community at the expense of the community. no values, ethics, morals, just a whole lot of fake fake and more fake, They need to be run out of the community, door locked so we can do the work to heal our community from years of toxic waste in the form of this death music and death images.Usher, perhaps, another R&B person, but diplomats, millionaires, BWAHAAAAAAA they have money to buy 'fine' women and they do, they marry for much much more than what some black people obviously think is the prize, looks are not even the top 21) family background 2) personal background--education, interests, etc... 3) Maybe Looks start coming in... I agree with it all, especially with the bold.
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Post by shanaelmsford on Jun 28, 2014 16:37:44 GMT
You all (in my opinion) give Beyonce wayyyyy too much credit. It's easy to say oh, she should have married a diplomat but as a person, through the blessings that I have been given, I have had the opportunity to work with 'diplomats' and attend graduate school with their children, have had some leisure moments with them and from my direct and personal experience, education is wayyyy to important and expected that none of them would be interested in marrying remedial Beyonce, and she is remedial. ...Usher, perhaps, another R&B person, but diplomats, millionaires, BWAHAAAAAAA they have money to buy 'fine' women and they do, they marry for much much more than what some black people obviously think is the prize, looks are not even the top 21) family background 2) personal background--education, interests, etc... 3) Maybe Looks start coming in... What I said was: I didn't give Beydummy any credit, I gave her father credit because he's the mastermind of her career. She could have been better than "rememdial" as you put it, or done a much better job of hiding her basicness, if she was driven to do so (either self motivation or her father pushing her on). And really, nothing in my comment precludes yours; your comments are in line with observations I've made in other threads when I've talked about other celebs in comparison to Bey. When her solo career was fresh she could have made up for 'lost time', so to speak - charm school, lots of elocution lessons, finishing high school, lots of independent learning if she didn't want to do college, and getting involved with national and global humanitarianism before her career it the skids. All of these things would have enhanced her professional brand and enhanced her as a person, which would have been a trememdous display of SAVVY and knowing how to play one's cards. I'll agree to disagree because I absolutely believe that she could have made herself more desirable as a brand and a wife if her father had pushed her to do so.
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Post by giftofdiscernment on Jun 28, 2014 17:23:56 GMT
She better think of another way, and fast cuz umm.... They went in super hard on her in D-Listed. This pic was on there and they drug it to death, lol!!! I LOVE the comments section on that site, I am always in tears and my stomach is sore from the laughter... dlisted.com/2014/06/26/beyonce-and-jay-z-trot-out-their-super-secret-wedding-video-for-the-opening-night-of-the-on-the-run-tour/ ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/aretha-wig.gif?w=632&h=475
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Post by Elle McRealson on Jun 28, 2014 19:29:58 GMT
She better think of another way, and fast cuz umm.... They went in super hard on her in D-Listed. This pic was on there and they drug it to death, lol!!! I LOVE the comments section on that site, I am always in tears and my stomach is sore from the laughter... dlisted.com/2014/06/26/beyonce-and-jay-z-trot-out-their-super-secret-wedding-video-for-the-opening-night-of-the-on-the-run-tour/ ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/aretha-wig.gif?w=632&h=475This article this the TRUTH! LMAO at “On The Run From The Rumors That Our Marriage Is A Sham” Tour, what a great read- thanks for posting the link! LOL!!! Love the gif (have to post it for the world to see):
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Post by missy on Jun 28, 2014 21:53:00 GMT
They went in super hard on her in D-Listed. This pic was on there and they drug it to death, lol!!! I LOVE the comments section on that site, I am always in tears and my stomach is sore from the laughter... dlisted.com/2014/06/26/beyonce-and-jay-z-trot-out-their-super-secret-wedding-video-for-the-opening-night-of-the-on-the-run-tour/ ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/aretha-wig.gif?w=632&h=475This article this the TRUTH! LMAO at “On The Run From The Rumors That Our Marriage Is A Sham” Tour, what a great read- thanks for posting the link! LOL!!! Love the gif (have to post it for the world to see): --------- I know right! I usually give credit to the sight if I snag something, but I had to run..lol Where did that pic come from anyways, my lord!!
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Post by Guest XXX on Jun 29, 2014 8:32:22 GMT
You all (in my opinion) give Beyonce wayyyyy too much credit. It's easy to say oh, she should have married a diplomat but as a person, through the blessings that I have been given, I have had the opportunity to work with 'diplomats' and attend graduate school with their children, have had some leisure moments with them and from my direct and personal experience, education is wayyyy to important and expected that none of them would be interested in marrying remedial Beyonce, and she is remedial. The ability to talk across subjects, industries, countries, cultures, trends (not pop culture---financial, social, historical) is just basic and again expected. Beyonce is not cultured in this manner in the least, in fact, she is the opposite, she is uncultured, uneducated, unrefined and unsuitable as a spouse for these types. A F&(*C perhaps, but marraige? To a girl woman that can't even talk, but looks good, naw. The joke is on the black community once again for all this "queen garbage' this is an insult to all the true queens of our community. That overcame, that educated themselves, their families, that stood for something substantive, that were truly humble, God fearing soldiers and warriors. Beyonce is with the person she belongs with, he is the male versio of her. A thirsty, ready to be used to be "exalted" in the black community at the expense of the community. no values, ethics, morals, just a whole lot of fake fake and more fake, They need to be run out of the community, door locked so we can do the work to heal our community from years of toxic waste in the form of this death music and death images.Usher, perhaps, another R&B person, but diplomats, millionaires, BWAHAAAAAAA they have money to buy 'fine' women and they do, they marry for much much more than what some black people obviously think is the prize, looks are not even the top 21) family background 2) personal background--education, interests, etc... 3) Maybe Looks start coming in... I agree with it all, especially with the bold. I also agree with this. If it weren't for Mathew and Jay taking care of the business politics she wouldn't be where she is. We're in a time where talent has no place like talking about it. It's all politics and for a woman who can hardly put two complete sentences together, it's safe to say she's not dealing with the politics. There would have been no way she would've left Mathew if Jay or even with someone with the same type of characteristics as these two men weren't around. These types of men like control, so they learn all about the politics, Which is probably fine with Bey because obviously all she cared about was becoming a mega star and making money. Mathew may have burned a few bridges, but up until recently it was Jay who was rubbing elbows with powerful elite members, which is important when you're trying to make big moves. So besides performing and doing a few sexual favors...What the hell was Beyonce going to talk about with folks who not only are powerful but help run this world? Every big Diva there ever was was groomed to do this. Whether they were taught by others, read a book, or somehow familiarized themselves with past and present events. Beyonce can't even promote Feminism without coming across as a dunce. And had the nerve to have this as part of her schtick. We could either laugh because she's so pathetic or cry because this wench actually has a platform. First she says..."A diva is female version of a hustla", and now it's...Look at my bare ass world, I'm a "Feminist". That's not what a diva is and for damn sure showing booty cheeks and ass crack does not make her a true Feminist. Bottom line: Somebody had to be the mouth piece for this heffa, so she could work. I just can't see her working out the politics on her own and rising to that mega star level. For crying out loud, this woman is the one who said Obama makes her want to be smarter. (Than a 5th grader)
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Post by eljjai on Jun 29, 2014 9:57:44 GMT
You all (in my opinion) give Beyonce wayyyyy too much credit. It's easy to say oh, she should have married a diplomat but as a person, through the blessings that I have been given, I have had the opportunity to work with 'diplomats' and attend graduate school with their children, have had some leisure moments with them and from my direct and personal experience, education is wayyyy to important and expected that none of them would be interested in marrying remedial Beyonce, and she is remedial. The ability to talk across subjects, industries, countries, cultures, trends (not pop culture---financial, social, historical) is just basic and again expected. Beyonce is not cultured in this manner in the least, in fact, she is the opposite, she is uncultured, uneducated, unrefined and unsuitable as a spouse for these types. A F&(*C perhaps, but marraige? To a girl woman that can't even talk, but looks good, naw. The joke is on the black community once again for all this "queen garbage' this is an insult to all the true queens of our community. That overcame, that educated themselves, their families, that stood for something substantive, that were truly humble, God fearing soldiers and warriors. Beyonce is with the person she belongs with, he is the male versio of her. A thirsty, ready to be used to be "exalted" in the black community at the expense of the community. no values, ethics, morals, just a whole lot of fake fake and more fake, They need to be run out of the community, door locked so we can do the work to heal our community from years of toxic waste in the form of this death music and death images. Usher, perhaps, another R&B person, but diplomats, millionaires, BWAHAAAAAAA they have money to buy 'fine' women and they do, they marry for much much more than what some black people obviously think is the prize, looks are not even the top 21) family background 2) personal background--education, interests, etc... 3) Maybe Looks start coming in... You are very right on many counts. Beyonce could never have made a diplomats wife. Those people marry for connections. a Diplomats mistress definitely but not a wife. The same goes for the truly wealthy people in th world, the industry giants. not the guys on forbes. Their fortunes are like little kingdoms they are always seeking to expand and form alliances etc etc. so they marry for the connections. Beyonce has absolutely no stock in their world. No value whatsoever. Even if she had been educated, still no connections.
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Post by eljjai on Jun 29, 2014 10:12:38 GMT
She could have done that belladonna, but she's not savvy enough to think that far ahead. She's not like Jennifer Lopez, who used Piddy da Fool to boost her street cred (I'm not saying they weren't really in love, but that relationship did a lot for her "urban" appeal on her first couple of albums), used Ben Affleck to boost her mainstream crossover appeal (her appearance became a lot blonder and whiter, more Genevieve from Park Avenue than Jenny from the Block), and then used Marc Anthony to pop out some kids and reestablish herself with Latinos. She even could have married another pop artist with comparable image and pubic appeal if being music "royalty" was really that important to her. Instead of being "On the Run" with Joe Camel she could have been on the "Caught Up" tour as Mrs Knowles-Raymond or the " Take Back the Night" tour as Mrs. Knowles-Timberlake ""Caught Up" tour as Mrs Knowles-Raymond or the "Take Back the Night" tour as Mrs. Knowles-Timberlake " Girl. Its not even MY LIFE, and I'm fantasizing about how nice of a look that coulda been for her!!! You guys are so right. And I'm surprised that as much as Beyonce copied from Jlo she did not manage to see and copy her most effective business strategy. Jenny has made publically using men to advance her career into an art form. As hardworking as she is one must admit that she ought to thank these guys for helping her become who she is today. Every stage of her career had a perfectly selected boyfriend to go with. And it worked like a charm. Now if Beyonce wanted the wholesome "One love of my life" look she really should have picked better. Like some else said Jay Z should have been a just a period in her career, not the entire career. she should have played it like she was mad about jay z and had found her thug soul mate, and paired with him to make great music etc etc, but behind closed doors she should have kept that fool a mile away from her career and any important decisions relating to it. Now she's stuck with a ridiculous aging thug husband and a baby she can't use to advance her brand. Like it or not, Nori has given Kim an extra 5 maybe even 10 minutes in the spotlight. She's adorable enough to cover the fact that her father is a dick and her mama is a whore. Kim is smarter than Beyonce in marketing Nori. Beyonce could have had greater success with less work if she had married differently.
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Post by belladonna1983 on Jun 29, 2014 13:58:00 GMT
I still stand by what I said, that Bey coulda done better.
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Post by belladonna1983 on Jun 29, 2014 14:00:38 GMT
Now if Beyonce wanted the wholesome "One love of my life" look she really should have picked better. Like some else said Jay Z should have been a just a period in her career, not the entire career. she should have played it like she was mad about jay z and had found her thug soul mate, and paired with him to make great music etc etc, but behind closed doors she should have kept that fool a mile away from her career and any important decisions relating to it.
Now she's stuck with a ridiculous aging thug husband and a baby she can't use to advance her brand.
exactly
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Post by Guest XXX on Jun 30, 2014 0:43:26 GMT
You all (in my opinion) give Beyonce wayyyyy too much credit. It's easy to say oh, she should have married a diplomat but as a person, through the blessings that I have been given, I have had the opportunity to work with 'diplomats' and attend graduate school with their children, have had some leisure moments with them and from my direct and personal experience, education is wayyyy to important and expected that none of them would be interested in marrying remedial Beyonce, and she is remedial. The ability to talk across subjects, industries, countries, cultures, trends (not pop culture---financial, social, historical) is just basic and again expected. Beyonce is not cultured in this manner in the least, in fact, she is the opposite, she is uncultured, uneducated, unrefined and unsuitable as a spouse for these types. A F&(*C perhaps, but marraige? To a girl woman that can't even talk, but looks good, naw. The joke is on the black community once again for all this "queen garbage' this is an insult to all the true queens of our community. That overcame, that educated themselves, their families, that stood for something substantive, that were truly humble, God fearing soldiers and warriors. Beyonce is with the person she belongs with, he is the male versio of her. A thirsty, ready to be used to be "exalted" in the black community at the expense of the community. no values, ethics, morals, just a whole lot of fake fake and more fake, They need to be run out of the community, door locked so we can do the work to heal our community from years of toxic waste in the form of this death music and death images. Usher, perhaps, another R&B person, but diplomats, millionaires, BWAHAAAAAAA they have money to buy 'fine' women and they do, they marry for much much more than what some black people obviously think is the prize, looks are not even the top 21) family background 2) personal background--education, interests, etc... 3) Maybe Looks start coming in... I just reread your comment and it made me remember a TV special I watched a couple of years ago. It was about the top of the line prostitutes/escorts/kept women for the elite. How they travel all around the world to be with these men and what is required of them. Most if not all were educated white women, who all agreed that it is required of them to know how to behave and handle themselves while in the presence of some very powerful people. They had to be more than just a pretty face with a nice body. They were required to entertain on an above average intellectual level because they were used for more than sex. And some of these ladies didn't even have to have sex but be able to represent the elite gentlemen while they were at parties, political engagements, etc,... Just spending one or two weeks with a King or Prince would be about $100,000.00 for these women and most of the time these women were never alone but arrived together in groups. Now if these people would expect so much from their whores, what would they expect from their wives? Anyway, With your kind of experience, I bet you've got lots of stories you could share. You've probably seen a lot.
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Post by Guest123 on Jun 30, 2014 16:02:36 GMT
Yes I have and have heard a lot too, most of which I cannot even share as most don't believe it.
It was and is a dream come true, but the one thing I do wish I could share without people trying to fight me over what I know, so I don't say much.
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Post by eljjai on Jun 30, 2014 18:47:25 GMT
Yes I have and have heard a lot too, most of which I cannot even share as most don't believe it. It was and is a dream come true, but the one thing I do wish I could share without people trying to fight me over what I know, so I don't say much. Do tell, this isn't lipstick alley. We don't dispute tea.
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Post by missy on Jun 30, 2014 19:00:02 GMT
^^exactly...you got the greenlight, spill dat tea, I need a good piping hot cup...lol
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Post by Guest123 on Jun 30, 2014 21:24:35 GMT
I don't have any tea that you all don't know about, this site knows all about the global elite power structure, its agenda.... as everything flows from that.... I mean people that I can in contact from day to day (I recently came back to my hometown) and wow. This is the one site that lets me know I am not alone in terms of knowing what time it is. And thank goodness for whoever set up this forum!
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