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Post by belladonna1983 on Aug 4, 2014 12:19:16 GMT
I posted this in RWS, but I figured I'd bring it for discussion amongst a more intellectualized group.
I was watching old Destinys Child interviews and that MTV Cribs episode they did that time.........what happened to the grounded, fun loving, "followed her daddys' advice to stardom in a smart way" Beyonce??? She was so lighthearted. Yeah, she may have had some nasty ways but back then you could overlook it because she came off as a little more "real"........what the fuck happened? (Jay-Z)
When I look back, I see a young woman who definitely had her spoiled ways BUT she seemed like she was very grounded, and did some things because she knew they were helpful to her career. (Like working her ass off no matter what, putting God and family first, staying private about love and business, etc).
She was so playful and fun! Life seemed like it was really exciting, touring with Kelly and Michelle, and just loving life.
I give it, that there may have been some shade going on, but honestly I think a lot of it had to do with some of the DC members not wanting to put in the hard work to make it big, that Matty required. True success does require sacrifice and hard work, and that is one lesson I did learn from Bey/the Knowles. We have to give it to them, they hustled and grinded their way to the top, even if they did cut corners. Matty created one of the most known names EVER, with very little to work with. And I think that Beyonce came off as stuck up, but that was because she was about her business back then (like during that interview when Kelly mentioned the ex-DC members and Bey shushed her. I didnt see that as shade, I saw that as smart.) But dont get me wrong, Bey clearly had some catty ways, but I will give her the benefit of the doubt that she was an immature teenager, and we all kinda had some ways back then. The problem is, she didnt grow out of it.
We all know she fucked up at Jay-Z. Like I've said before, at most, that should have been just a little fling or romance. She should have kept her image (because it did work for her) and I think she should have stayed with Destiny's Child, and just did her solo thing in small amounts on the side, and slowly built up to a totally solo career. That, or she should have kept her dad as manager, or if she really had to fire him, she should have hired someone who was a PROFESSIONAL MANAGER FIRST, and not Jay-Z, who is merely a sneaker hustler. Bey could have hired the best, I'm sure the best of the best managers would have been FALLING OVER THEMSELVES to manage Bey back in the day.
Sometimes, I still feel inspiration when I watch old Destiny's Child/Beyonce interviews and things. I dont know why, but I do. The stans like to act as if NOW is her time at the top, but I honestly believe back then, was the best time of her life and career! All I see now is REGRESSION, and its sad that she didnt become all she could have been.
What happened to all her people? Her close people, that used to roll with her all the time?
Tina
Solo and Son
Angela Beyince
Its like she's on a little island...its lonely at the "top".
I did love the old Beyonce. The caramel, grounded girl with a country accent from the South. I think she could have been much more.
Bey went from singing about being classy, god loving, and independent, to Partition and "shit goes down when there's a billion dollars on an elevator". SAD.
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Post by love and peace on Aug 4, 2014 12:27:41 GMT
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Post by Guest123 on Aug 4, 2014 21:51:52 GMT
i think its an expense issue, they are not balling tat all like they (Record Boss and Their Employees-Jay and BeY that are contractually bound mind you) have convinced everyone to believe.
Those lawsuit are heck of expensive and Sony only f's with top firms, we are talking billing rates from 500-1500 per hour or more and this isn't one person we are talking the team, The partner, the Sr Atty, the junior atty etc.. Beyonce alone has raked up and forced Sony to pay out millions and millions in lawyers fees (and then ofcourse the actual settlement).
Sony doesn't absorb these costs and they are charged to the Artists' account (and I used to date a now pretty famous artist and another before that) and they keep a tally of every cent and this is deducted, like an income statement before the artist even can think about cash in hand. Most run a deficit and then that's when the cash advances come in which record companies dole out very generously especially to those that wish to ensnare and enslave.
That's how the friend of mine ended up 'branching out" into areas that when he first came out he was staunchly against.It's public record his condo was going into foreclosure so it was either back to mom, as it is/was with a lot of these 'artist' or make some cash, get another cash advance etc.. and it becomes a snowballing cycle.
Jay and Bey were perfect as they are both obsessed with being seen as above everyone else, unlike my friend and many artists, Sade, that just want to live their life and he is slowly pulling away from certain work and ofcourse living more modestly now that he is not as far in.
I saw a quarterly statement and back to the point when I saw the ITEMIZED breakdown of Artist Expenses--from certain studio expenses, beyond time, like catering--that is why many artist end up building their own home studios, its fun at first....going to the studio, going with them as their friends, drinking pop and stuff out the fridge, eating snacks, but that is charged back to them. All new artist think they are about to be the next MJ and shatter all kinds of records and sell gazillions but as we all have seen it doesn't pan out that way.
From the financial failure and again more expense for Beyonce of the dereon fiasco, that she is still paying for....her brand reeks of one in a cash crunch...remember theos struggle draws she was selling. I hear their were just googobs of excess inventory, much of which proved unsaleable and had to be basically given away or just scrapped
its amazing how gullible the masses are (but it was the same way in the bible, so it's biblical) but those two ain't bit more netting much, if anything right now. It's all to bring income so the extra costs of hotels, air tickets, meals, driver, etc... Beyonce ain't (or whoever is overseeing the finances) trying to add to it and the label will print the forbes stories (and that is part of a media budget which I know she has to pay part of as it is beyond the standard PR release here and there. And again, writers, publishers are very expensive and they use only the best., well very expensive ones. And its all network type thing anyway in terms of the record lable/attys/publishers/bankers joining up and milking the slave for as much as possible, so ofcourse sony doesn't mind if the law firm overcharges/overbills and they have to pay out these astronomical amounts as that just keeps them indebted and enslaved. The law firms are happy living off of Sony money (charged back to Artist account) and we know Sony gone get theirs, dead or alive. their contracts are iron clad and rock solid in certain key areas and didn' t no Bey or Jay or any of these artists who were young and thirsty out negotiated Sony and their Team.
Really long but yeah, now watch a photo with everyone, but no it is definitely not like before. But Beyonce can say anything and people will believe it over their own eyes so..
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Post by Guest123 on Aug 4, 2014 22:02:36 GMT
Not to say Sony can't be, MJ did and that was the real moment and turning point in the whole relationship as that is not supposed to happen, there is a format that the artist is to stay within (the framework that they designed and implement). No deviation allowed, It is rumored and alleged tht Sam Cooke who was mking moves aroudn the ownership of his records was murdered.
And Bob Marley too had actually built a record manufacturing plant in Jamaica wher he was pressing his own records (creating employment for jamaicans etc..) revolutionizing things. Jay and Bey are playing the part, their has been a lot of power talk but no real power moves. There is footage of Marley's plant out there somewhere as I saw it on a DVD some years ago and was very impressed by his business acumen and his passion and determination to create jobs for his people with his talent, and he did.
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Post by Guest123 on Aug 5, 2014 13:06:36 GMT
Even Master P was on some real innovative ish...never Jay and Bey they are just artist signed to the label, that for the sakie of the brand, Sony allows a certain appearance/image..Forbes stories, so called sports ownership (we see what was really going on when the truth came out) not the scripted facade to make them appear larger than life.
It's all business to Sony, they don't care if dumb niggas think these two are Billionaires, they (and all their employees and network--country club folk===old money---) just need these dumb niggas to buy CD's, buy into the image, purchase weave, adopt a criminal lifestyle, a hyper sex lifestyle because even abortions is big business to the medical industry and cosmetics, where lost of these black aborted fetuses end up being sold to. Ofcourse the liquor sales, whatever brand is dangled...it's ALL BUSINESS, the ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS.
Music is not entertainment, it has been reduced to that by the european so that he can make money but Music is a spirtual force that up until the European got involved (and their coons who will do and say anything for peanuts and the appearance of Wealth) and it is now being used as a weapon of control and ofcourse a tool to make money and to control minds, behavior, values....that they have made sure have gone down the tubes.
See Earth Wind and Fire or the Whispers wasn't going for no crap like this. Jay and Bey are undereducated, greedy coons that need to feel above their community and will glady be used in any manner as long as they can be presentd above other blacks.
Her flaming fan base/street team that have been patrolling the internet and bullying others into submission since she went solo also played a role in this mass dumbing down, masss you must worship these two.
Until the black community kicks these clowns to the curb (and anyone promoting behavior that is harmful to us) we ain't shjit!
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Post by missy on Aug 5, 2014 13:14:33 GMT
I'm soo loving this thread.
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Post by quianaj11 on Aug 5, 2014 13:30:04 GMT
i think its an expense issue, they are not balling tat all like they (Record Boss and Their Employees-Jay and BeY that are contractually bound mind you) have convinced everyone to believe. Those lawsuit are heck of expensive and Sony only f's with top firms, we are talking billing rates from 500-1500 per hour or more and this isn't one person we are talking the team, The partner, the Sr Atty, the junior atty etc.. Beyonce alone has raked up and forced Sony to pay out millions and millions in lawyers fees (and then ofcourse the actual settlement). Sony doesn't absorb these costs and they are charged to the Artists' account (and I used to date a now pretty famous artist and another before that) and they keep a tally of every cent and this is deducted, like an income statement before the artist even can think about cash in hand. Most run a deficit and then that's when the cash advances come in which record companies dole out very generously especially to those that wish to ensnare and enslave. That's how the friend of mine ended up 'branching out" into areas that when he first came out he was staunchly against.It's public record his condo was going into foreclosure so it was either back to mom, as it is/was with a lot of these 'artist' or make some cash, get another cash advance etc.. and it becomes a snowballing cycle. Jay and Bey were perfect as they are both obsessed with being seen as above everyone else, unlike my friend and many artists, Sade, that just want to live their life and he is slowly pulling away from certain work and ofcourse living more modestly now that he is not as far in. I saw a quarterly statement and back to the point when I saw the ITEMIZED breakdown of Artist Expenses--from certain studio expenses, beyond time, like catering--that is why many artist end up building their own home studios, its fun at first....going to the studio, going with them as their friends, drinking pop and stuff out the fridge, eating snacks, but that is charged back to them. All new artist think they are about to be the next MJ and shatter all kinds of records and sell gazillions but as we all have seen it doesn't pan out that way. From the financial failure and again more expense for Beyonce of the dereon fiasco, that she is still paying for....her brand reeks of one in a cash crunch...remember theos struggle draws she was selling. I hear their were just googobs of excess inventory, much of which proved unsaleable and had to be basically given away or just scrapped its amazing how gullible the masses are (but it was the same way in the bible, so it's biblical) but those two ain't bit more netting much, if anything right now. It's all to bring income so the extra costs of hotels, air tickets, meals, driver, etc... Beyonce ain't (or whoever is overseeing the finances) trying to add to it and the label will print the forbes stories (and that is part of a media budget which I know she has to pay part of as it is beyond the standard PR release here and there. And again, writers, publishers are very expensive and they use only the best., well very expensive ones. And its all network type thing anyway in terms of the record lable/attys/publishers/bankers joining up and milking the slave for as much as possible, so ofcourse sony doesn't mind if the law firm overcharges/overbills and they have to pay out these astronomical amounts as that just keeps them indebted and enslaved. The law firms are happy living off of Sony money (charged back to Artist account) and we know Sony gone get theirs, dead or alive. their contracts are iron clad and rock solid in certain key areas and didn' t no Bey or Jay or any of these artists who were young and thirsty out negotiated Sony and their Team. Really long but yeah, now watch a photo with everyone, but no it is definitely not like before. But Beyonce can say anything and people will believe it over their own eyes so.. Preach it these artists now a days better take a business class or two they better learn the industry while they are playing. |
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Post by Guest123 on Aug 5, 2014 15:10:02 GMT
I think this is turning into the 'vent for my life' post as based on some things that are going on in my life i have to focus all of my energies on the battle field, if all goes right I will be taking a full hiatus for most social media and the known puppets and still being caught up in it, one way or another. I did just see that Jay Z's mom opened a restaurant in Newark, see that is more like it and stuff all of them were too young, thirsty and greedy and not capitalized to do at the beginning as most have spent their last dime, out on a limb to get signed. They go in getting in debt, the initial cash advances, that first real come up moment. And then it is the extra indebtedness for Mom's new car, house, clothes that the label let them rack up (through their designated networks ofcourse) in the beginning that long term can cause problems in the relationship once the artist sees they are stuck with their loved ones expenses and the loved one now used to the lifestyle is now wanting more or needing to be sustained. Folks and their entourages have downsized considerably. I think I saw somewhere about Jay about to do 85 dates with Rihanna, I hope I misread it, and don't be surprised if Bey, Nicki and some other end up going on a tour once his continued leg ends. It's good that they have fans and people genuinely like them as they aren't going anywhere, not that they are in demand like that, it is that they are saleable, ad dollars etc can be exchanged and other products...its an economy and business network that must be kept afloat, all these companies are interconnected, including the now private prisons (shakes head) to bring in those federal dollars (our tax money) into their mix, just like the education dollars (our tax money)....so they will be part of the rotation like all of them. None of them can retire, except the extremely lucky ones and even they have to come out from time to time to get some money. This set for life illusion is just that. JLo was supposed to have all this money when she was on top, Bob Dylan and so many of old heads have alluded to once you are in, you are in. It's interesting. All I know is that I want to see music cleaned up it just is what it is, and people should know who they are looking up to and that is usually people just like themselves who are living to 'boss up' and in their minds that means to Nah Nah ne Nah everyone else, we got more than you (i don't even know how best to classify this type of thinking but juvenille comes to mind to keep it semi polite) not to be a each one reach one, not a heal the world as MJ turned out to be . They are the types that are perfect for the job they are doing. I don't think Tupac could be used in this manner, but who knows. We are where we are and it is what is is. What will happen, we will have to see. But it's real, the children have been damaged are stunted on every level, medicated, illiterate and I had a peer at the time now the head of a govt department refer to an area in our city as a penal colony. The more I thought abbout it (and I had never heard that pairing) but if that's not what it is, and the soundtrack in my city, what they play all day everyday, what you can hear blaring out of cars is Jay and Bey. I rolled my window up at the corner yesterday cause partition was coming out. I live in one of the most jacked up or well running penal colonies in the US. I returned home to help and have been but the music is like the head of this beast or something very substantial and there is only one option, and that is to cut if off, if not it will continue to devour,and that is just that. I remember in the early 90's or late 80's there was a Donohue episode, I was little but I still remember the passion at which those women spoke and I still remember what 1 said, she said "Don't you know what this is going to do to your children?" That lady was on the brink of tears if not crying and she was mad, and she kept saying it over and over. And what has it done, turned our children into to crime loving, murderers, robbers, killers, addicts. You know a Thug with Jay being the most successful one and still waving the flag and spitting the verses in ode to the streets that ain't doing jack shit but destroying our race, destorying a segment of the American society and African Diaspora that endured and overcame the worst horrors of modern human history. I could on and I will, fuck it, somebody feel me up in here. And America is still writing the narrative. they would much rather it be... we were Savages then their Slaves then they mistakenly freed us as they were being naive and good hearted people believing in this Equality and then we showed ourselves to be CRIMINALS that had to be reenslaved this time through the penal system. This absolves them of their inhumanity that was put on full display and blast during the slavery, lyching years...making a family outing to kill someone. Castrating and taking the penis home as a trophy.... But since the narrative tht writes itself when we are murdering each other, you know the headlines these days, the culture stimulated by gangsta rap and now the continuation through material/dope boy rap for inner city blacks born to young mothers in lots of cases... Yeah it's very deep, interconnected as the ones who have been blessed to have been taught how to think already know. And lastly just because I love myself and my ancestry does not mean i hate someone elses. I love my people and all people and no "person" would expect you to or want you to deny and not remember from whence you came. The whole issue is much more complicated and interlaced than hating, it's just music etc.. Now it's Rich Homie quan and yes the beats are off the hook, but the messaging, the programming. And like I told someone that I was trying to get to see beyond their so called "Loyalty"/Worship to these brands and said it would be like them using scottish bag pipes to sing to young scottish lads about killing each other, selling drugs to each other, running trains on girls, rape, etc... I mean the drum is our traditional music and it is going to move us and penetrate us whether we like it or not, and a part of us opens up to it and that is where the deadly programming and mind control comes in. It is criminal to use our traditional beats against us, I think I recall that from an episode of wonderfriends or something close to those lines. The policy should be if the song contains illegal activity references it should not be on the airwaves, ofcoure you can listen on your ipod, however but what I am talking about is the 7am radio show. But they won't do that, it's part of the front end marketing apparatus, we will have to demand it, but people all the way up to their 40's if not oldrer defend this shit and fail to accept the facts. After those white middle american women had their protest and we were bamboozled by being lied to that it was a race issue (them attacking black people) by the same people that would be cranking out the gangsta rap and opening the private prisons. Still being wounded from slavery, we fell for it. It wasn't about race it was about the CONTENT OF THE MUSIC. Them people that really just want to raise their kids knowing what was being created moved from the surburbs even further, to gated communities and the THUG=Black Male was solidified. And this too was perfect as this imagery and fear could be used to continue to fan race hatred and division. In the early years it was the so called sex crazed black man that all whites had to be protected from, now it it the thug. not that we were (cue BoyzIImen etc..) but many still need us to be, to absolve but then to continue to feed their bloodthirst to hunt, kill, mistreat, torrture....see they love to talk about what happened to them in terms of White Guilt but it is more like White Wounds, one of which their sadomaschistic needs, that's a problem, definitely not something to play into Anyway yall, as you can see lots on this sister's mind, purging it so I can move full force on this project, noone to talk to in real life so hey...I know it is overboard, but I am taking the day off to get my mind together, there may be even another one. I'm purging. Thank you to whomever set up this space. It's lonely out here  |
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Post by Guest123 on Aug 5, 2014 15:29:04 GMT
or play with if we know anything about our history in this country. Lots of typos, my bad. Getting it out and feeling better. We have to make them take the music off the air, I mean if you have the entire black community, saying nicely hey, we just don't want this on the radio (see we need to come together on that...but many of us don't give a f about some 'poor' people). My thing you are rich enough you have your device, you have means to access jay, bey and the under artists on demand, what skin off your back is it to agree to not have it on radio. I mean we SHOULD be so tired by now of the killings that we are willing to grasp at straws to do anything that MAY help.
Where would the resistance come from. It would come from the industry through their network of pastors, celebs etc. that we have been taught to worshp, who will say it is no big deal and it's not their job (yet some of these kids hear whats on radio more than they do their mom, and when they are with her, she is probably listening to it).
If we want any chance of moving forward (we are being locked in a Thug state of development) we have to take that crap off radio, they can even play their 70's music, 80's , 90's music that they own for a year, that's what I am talking about...radical change an entirely differenc soundtrack. But now since Sony is linked in with the private prisons the incentive is to do the opposite. The people would have to demand it, in such large numbers that we could not be ignored.
Why can't we be awesome Black Americans again, like Jesse Owens pumping the fist at the Germany Olympics type awesome again. I'm going to hold out hope that we can and we will. And it's nothing personal against the artist, they can get with the program, record or release their songs without those references but it's time for people to care more about people, includings ones heritage, than worshipping these celebrities. But the tripped out thing is this type of behavior is talked about all through the bible, and he kept saying he wanted his people to turn from such behavior but they would not, even when sent prophets. So i guess a lot of it is human nature and I am working on getting in a bubble like so many others and not worrying about it but so far i haven't been wired that way.
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Post by Guest123 on Aug 5, 2014 15:52:44 GMT
Awesome like our ancestors that endured slavery and then went on with nothing but their hard work (belittled by gangsta rap/dope boy rap) to allow us to live at the highest standard of living for any group of black people on the planet. And look at us, defending Jay and Bey as our kids can't read, don't want to (who needs a degree when you are shcooling life right) we let way too much slide and our children are the victims.
I hear she used red bone in the remix, again no divisive talk should be tolerated, that area is too much of a sore spot to have it played with, and anyone with a modicum of humanity, healing and brain wouldn't do so. Does A Keys or just Beyonce and the rappers, you alls classy Beyonce. She don't know any better though. All of our issues goes to undereducation or miseducation. I am certainly not trying to correct all the problems of the world that I was born into. At this point, I have gotten myself into community work so i am just reassessing the priority areas. We just completed a very successful initiative and gearing up for the next round. And it's hard to tackle an issue such as literacy as a stand alone issue when it is connected to this Culture which Jayand Bey are the KING/God of that says who needs school....and from those who can't conceive that it would be processed in this manner forget that these people well are....kids with no other influence, and this cultural influence also teaches anyone that speaks against should not be listened to.
It's a trip/ Like I said sometimes I want to just get in a bubble but everytime that oppty presents itself it doesn't feel right. I never thought I would grow up to be an 'activist'.. it's not well received by my family but nothing is with them (I have a story like Phoenix...hope she's doing okay as all people that are dealing with unimaginable abusive situations). Okay, I think I'm done, this has been Vent for Your Life, featuring Guest123
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Post by belladonna1983 on Aug 6, 2014 19:29:27 GMT
This was a good read...........it's a shame what the industry can do to people (if you let it).
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Post by Ivory on Aug 7, 2014 16:32:39 GMT
Guest123, I'm ready to give you my money. Please write that book.
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