yuna
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Post by yuna on Sept 20, 2014 15:12:41 GMT
So I sometimes read a site called feministing.com and I came across this dumb article by a Beyonce stan: You stan like a girl: The problematic feminization of the BeyhiveThe whole point of "standom" is being over the top, crazy, irrational, and hysterical. All stans get called those things. To me, that has little to do with being female, but because people pick on the Beyhive (rightfully so) this writer thinks it's a feminist issue?? This is why "Beyonce the feminist icon" is so damaging because it's taking away from real issues. I read that site because I want to know about real feminist issues not some butthurt Bey stan crying about people picking on Bey stans. Just like Beyonce tries to use feminism as a crutch to not get judged for selling sex, her stans are using it as a crutch to not get judged for being crazy.
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Post by guest on Sept 20, 2014 15:49:22 GMT
So in other words, the StingHive is getting repercussions for their moronic behavior and they are crying "victim-hood" Lol, carry on.
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Post by belladonna1983 on Sept 22, 2014 12:02:29 GMT
WHO ever said that the FleaHive were all females anyways?
WHY would anyone even think that, when we know half of them are flaming gays, anyhow?
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Post by shanaelmsford on Sept 23, 2014 11:24:58 GMT
As far as I know there's market research that points toward the majority of Beycoochiepop's fans in the USA are women (I don't know about other countries). I remember seeing this when I saw that research about other demographic markers for different pop stars' fanbases like SES estimates, education level, majority age range, etc. I don't think it renders her male fans invisible to say that the fleahive is mostly women if it's the truth. I don't think it erases any of her third gender/trans/other fans either because it seems that most of them lean more towards a femme identity whether they're XX females or not.
Okay, first off Bey isn't dominating anything (some fact-checking on the Billboard charts would have told the author how the whole album and the singles have been charting since release) and she's a pop artist, not strictly R&B. I agree that mainstream rap is hypermasculine but I don't see mainstream R&B as being sold as inherently feminine. And if the internet shows a representative sample of the Fleahive as a whole then yes, a lot of Bey's fans are birds regardless of gender. It doesn't mean that Camel's diehard fans are super-rational or emotionally mature but they don't seem to pride themselves on harassing people they way the Fleas do. A lot of people who are casual fans of Bey's don't want to be associated with crazy bird behavior either.
Well, the the word "fan" comes from the word "fanatic" which has its own history of negative connotations; originally fanatics were people who had a fervent, uncritical devotion to something/someone. Are people who like her music supposed to stop calling themselves fans? There are diehard Fleas are proud to call themselves Beyflopce "Stans", which is comes from a song about an obsessive fan who kills himself when he feels that his affinity for Eminem wasn't properly reciprocated. Is that better than being described as "hysterical"?
If playing semantic games is what helps this child feel better about being part of the Fleahive then she's free to have at it, I guess. She just shouldn't expect people outside of the Hive people to be stupid enough to fall for her pseudo-feminist mess. The meanings of words change and evolve over time. The same way that hysteria isn't a clinical diagnosis anymore the word "hysterical" isn't limited to describing volatile emotionality in women. People aren't assuming that all of the Fleahive is hysterical just because it's mostly women, they're looking at how the most vocal members of the group carry themselves and interact with others. I absolutely agree with you, guest - it's crying victim when they're called out for atrocious antics.
If she wants to talk about sexism and the Fleahive then maybe she can write an article about how so many of her sisters talk feminism/womanism out of one side of their mouths but love to disparage other women (especially other black women) with the other.
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yuna
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Post by yuna on Sept 23, 2014 16:04:31 GMT
As far as I know there's market research that points toward the majority of Beycoochiepop's fans in the USA are women (I don't know about other countries). I remember seeing this when I saw that research about other demographic markers for different pop stars' fanbases like SES estimates, education level, majority age range, etc. I don't think it renders her male fans invisible to say that the fleahive is mostly women if it's the truth. I don't think it erases any of her third gender/trans/other fans either because it seems that most of them lean more towards a femme identity whether they're XX females or not. Okay, first off Bey isn't dominating anything (some fact-checking on the Billboard charts would have told the author how the whole album and the singles have been charting since release) and she's a pop artist, not strictly R&B. I agree that mainstream rap is hypermasculine but I don't see mainstream R&B as being sold as inherently feminine. And if the internet shows a representative sample of the Fleahive as a whole then yes, a lot of Bey's fans are birds regardless of gender. It doesn't mean that Camel's diehard fans are super-rational or emotionally mature but they don't seem to pride themselves on harassing people they way the Fleas do. A lot of people who are casual fans of Bey's don't want to be associated with crazy bird behavior either. Well, the the word "fan" comes from the word "fanatic" which has its own history of negative connotations; originally fanatics were people who had a fervent, uncritical devotion to something/someone. Are people who like her music supposed to stop calling themselves fans? There are diehard Fleas are proud to call themselves Beyflopce "Stans", which is comes from a song about an obsessive fan who kills himself when he feels that his affinity for Eminem wasn't properly reciprocated. Is that better than being described as "hysterical"? If playing semantic games is what helps this child feel better about being part of the Fleahive then she's free to have at it, I guess. She just shouldn't expect people outside of the Hive people to be stupid enough to fall for her pseudo-feminist mess. The meanings of words change and evolve over time. The same way that hysteria isn't a clinical diagnosis anymore the word "hysterical" isn't limited to describing volatile emotionality in women. People aren't assuming that all of the Fleahive is hysterical just because it's mostly women, they're looking at how the most vocal members of the group carry themselves and interact with others. I absolutely agree with you, guest - it's crying victim when they're called out for atrocious antics. If she wants to talk about sexism and the Fleahive then maybe she can write an article about how so many of her sisters talk feminism/womanism out of one side of their mouths but love to disparage other women (especially other black women) with the other.Preach! The beyhive has absolutely no problems tearing down other black women who are singers to make Beyonce seem like the best one, but as soon as someone or the media isn't ass-kissing Beyonce, they're are just "hating" on a successful black woman. The beyhive is too hypocritical.
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