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Post by belladonna1983 on Apr 12, 2015 17:14:40 GMT
Tinashe may not be the one to dethrone Bey by herself and her music alone....but the fact that she can pull off a similar look, and do it effortlessly and better, is one more piece of proof to the general public that Beyonce Knowles was never that special...this ravishing beauty they scream about her all those years.....
...Tinashe is downright DARLING, and she's fresh and new! She doesn't have that "Beyonce knockoff" look and vibe that Ciara did....more like a "this is what Beyonce has been trying to look like all these years"!
Remember, 99% of her career is based on - say it with me - HER LOOKS!
So here comes Tinashe with a very close look, but on her it's natural and better. I don't see her as copying Bey, because this girl would probably look like this if a Beyonce never existed.
This is after Rihanna has finished dragging Bey by her edge hairs for the last few years as far as music.
As well as Taylor Swift and Adele, to show that other people can be "Americas Sweetheart" as well.
Hey, maybe it's not just ONE chick to dethrone Bey, but moreso a collective of awesome women.
Trust me, Tinashe has Beyonces attention. Like another poster said, I'm waiting for a collabo, but it's not a collab but more like Bey is trying to to compare and conquer by aligning herself with someone she deems a threat. Gaga, A.Keys, Shakira, etc
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Post by Guest** on Apr 12, 2015 18:41:05 GMT
Surfing YT several days ago. Came upon a bunch of Celine Dion videos. Not really a fan of her voice, but the videos were not about her songs. Rather, it was about her introducing lesser known artist (including Destiny Child) onto the stage with her.
Something that old Queeny Buzzard could have been doing, had she really had talent, generosity and star quality.
That was the time crazy-ass-bee sang out about loving JZoo. It made me lol.
bee, over doing it, again.
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Post by shanaelmsford on Apr 12, 2015 19:29:56 GMT
Her greatest asset is her greatest weakness IMO. She is blan and generic. This is good becuase this means she can be molded into anything TPTb want her to be. This is bad because she seems to lack star power. but then again star power nowadays is made of lacefronts, lighting and photoshop so it mgiht not matter. ^ These two statements are what it boils down to for me. Tinashe does nothing for me but I'm still able to separate my personal tastes from my perception of the bigger picture: if she's wants it enough and TPTB decide that she's useful she will put into service, period. She may not get the full Stefanie Germanotto/Lady Gaga transformation but there will be a large effort to manufacture her look and sound to fit whatever they decide the general public should desire. I know I've said this before but she strikes me as someone who's determined to become a big success. Not a complete thirstbucket but very accommodating to the demands of the backers, so that will mean changes in music and aesthetic that may not have come with organic growth as an artist. She may be happiest with indie music and "freespirited" swag but if her label decides that she's the new queen of Ratchetstan then guess what? That's what she'll do and if they consistently market her heavily enough then she'll corner that part of the mainstream market until they decide it's time for her to "evolve" and take on a different persona. She and her backers are throwing stuff at the wall and waiting to see what sticks; that's why there are tinges of bigger performers in her music. If they can formulate the right mix of other people while passing it off as "fresh" and "unique" then that will be the look/sound that makes her a megastar. |
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Post by shanaelmsford on Apr 30, 2015 20:20:26 GMT
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Post by Guest on Apr 30, 2015 20:40:44 GMT
I don't see/hear any amazing writing skills or anything else that's mentioned. Have no idea how people are even connecting her to Beyonce. This is coming from someone who thinks Bey is extremely mediocre vocally and performance wise. The only thing comparable about the 2 is their hype that neither can back up with their talent.
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Post by Bre on May 26, 2015 6:58:41 GMT
How is bey going to copy Tinashe, when Tinashe copies from Aaliyah and Janet??? On Her album she had those basic ass Janet Jackson interludes, can't top Janet with the interludes. She had the best interludes. Tinashe has the same background dancers that bey had and the same choreographer as Bey! I feel she is going to be the next big thing if she plays her cards right! She needs to be very determined and very strong minded to last because this music industry ain't nothing nice at all. Smh! We should be uplifting our black female entertainers instead of comparing them. Bey is at the top and will be replaced just like Janet, Mariah, Whitney, Diana, Aretha, hell even Michael Jackson was replaced and was not at the top anymore, prince too. At least bey not shady like that tho. Lol
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Post by Ivory on May 26, 2015 9:34:30 GMT
How is bey going to copy Tinashe, when Tinashe copies from Aaliyah and Janet??? On Her album she had those basic ass Janet Jackson interludes, can't top Janet with the interludes. She had the best interludes. Tinashe has the same background dancers that bey had and the same choreographer as Bey! I feel she is going to be the next big thing if she plays her cards right! She needs to be very determined and very strong minded to last because this music industry ain't nothing nice at all. Smh! We should be uplifting our black female entertainers instead of comparing them. Bey is at the top and will be replaced just like Janet, Mariah, Whitney, Diana, Aretha, hell even Michael Jackson was replaced and was not at the top anymore, prince too. At least bey not shady like that tho. Lol Beyonce can copy people who've copied others. Beyonce doesn't own dancers and choreographers. They can work with whoever they like. People are compared all the time. That's life. Black female entertainers are no exception. Beyonce isn't on top and hasn't been for almost a decade - her last hits were 2008-2009. No one has or ever will replace the artists you named. People tried and failed. MJ's last album before he died sold 11 million, and it didn't have the label's support. In another thread you said Beyonce's 2 million was great. So 2 million copies = "at the top" but 11 million copies = "replaced"? Beyonce isn't shady? Haven't you been paying attention for the past 17 yrs? |
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Post by Bre on May 26, 2015 15:46:57 GMT
How is bey going to copy Tinashe, when Tinashe copies from Aaliyah and Janet??? On Her album she had those basic ass Janet Jackson interludes, can't top Janet with the interludes. She had the best interludes. Tinashe has the same background dancers that bey had and the same choreographer as Bey! I feel she is going to be the next big thing if she plays her cards right! She needs to be very determined and very strong minded to last because this music industry ain't nothing nice at all. Smh! We should be uplifting our black female entertainers instead of comparing them. Bey is at the top and will be replaced just like Janet, Mariah, Whitney, Diana, Aretha, hell even Michael Jackson was replaced and was not at the top anymore, prince too. At least bey not shady like that tho. Lol Beyonce can copy people who've copied others. Beyonce doesn't own dancers and choreographers. They can work with whoever they like. People are compared all the time. That's life. Black female entertainers are no exception. Beyonce isn't on top and hasn't been for almost a decade - her last hits were 2008-2009. No one has or ever will replace the artists you named. People tried and failed. MJ's last album before he died sold 11 million, and it didn't have the label's support. In another thread you said Beyonce's 2 million was great. So 2 million copies = "at the top" but 11 million copies = "replaced"? Beyonce isn't shady? Haven't you been paying attention for the past 17 yrs? What other black female artist that you know since the 2010s decade started that sold 2 million within 6 months in to U.S? Don't worry I'll wait!!!!  ? (Rihanna sold 75 million singles and bey sold 46 according to billboard. Rih beating her out she don't like that. Lol.) It's rare these days that black artists, especially females at that can go to 2x platinum that fast within like 8 months. People are not even buying our albums like that anymore. They buy the singles but not the albums in this "digital world " now. No one that's out now is selling 11 million copies whether it be here or overseas. Or even pass platinum status. That's over with, the Internet killed all of that. The other artists that are out that the media considers R&B or soul music lol, like Adele and Sam was selling way more than us and we can't even get out music played like theirs. I know because they "fit the majority category"! I know Beyonce copies all the time! She's not original at all!! MJ was replaced. Nobody was really checking for a 40 year old like that around that time. I'm not talking WW sales, here in the states he sold 2,000,000 and that was ok back in the early 2000s because most black artists around that time like Usher was selling between 5 to 6 million here. I know Usher not hot anymore, Justin took that. Lol People did not especially here cause we are ungrateful, did not give a fuck about MJ before he died. People were calling him ugly, and other horrible things but we loved his music tho. Then when he died, now all of a sudden people love him again. Wtf! Should have gave him his flowers before he left. Smh. Anyway Bey last hit top 5 hit never a classic tho was drunk in love it peaked #2 on the billboard hot 100 because of Pharrell "happy" ass was #1!! And it went 3x platinum. The next hit off of that was that club hit 7/11! Peaked at #13 and went platinum. She was in the top 15 with that last one that's strictly for the clubs. Lol. The other songs off of that didn't do so great. I don't even think her whole objective for that last album was to get a hit #1 single but a hit album and to stay relevant just like Rih and she hasn't had a #1 yet for this new album she's about to release. But it's whatever! Bey is one of the top black female artists as of right now whether you like it or not. She just need to stop doing the most, it's irritating. |
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Post by Ivory on May 26, 2015 17:38:33 GMT
Why're you starting from the 2010s? To exclude black female singers like Whitney, Aaliyah, etc. And why 2 million in 6 months? Why not 25 million in 3 years like Adele? Why bring race into it? Adele's numbers show people are buying albums AND singles.
Who replaced MJ? His last tour sold out in seconds. Demand was so high they added so many dates he died from exhaustion. His heart couldn't take it, plus the sleeping aid drugs didn't help. Millions of people clearly still cared!
Why do you insist on replacing people with others? JT and Usher can co-exist. No need to pick one.
DIL wasn't a hit or it would've lasted longer on the charts. And it would've gone to no.1 despite Happy. "Club hits"? And only no.13? Her objective was to sell, and she barely did that.
If wearing a thong on stage in front of her baby, forcing fans like you to buy an entire album instead of singles, charging a premium for concerts where she does the same act for 15 years straight, going from duets with Luther Vandross to duets with Nicki Minaj, and her daughter living out of a suitcase is winning then she's definitely "winning".
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Post by Guest???! on May 26, 2015 18:48:15 GMT
@bre I get that you are a Beyoncé fan ( I won't insult you by calling you a Stan or a whatever u be considered in the beehive I don't really know how that goes). But, yourpost is filled with contradictions and hypocrisy. For one you asked what other Black female sold more than her and answered it yourself by saying Rhianna. So, I'll just go with that. I'm no die hard fan of either artist they've both made music that I have enjoyed. With that I'm able to objectively look at Beyoncé and say that even if you are a die hard fan Rhianna's been out selling Beyoncé. I won't get into the numbers, I'm sure you know them as well as you know Beyoncé's. the music industry moves by the current and trends of the consumer ( I know they'll have you think otherwise). The average consumer today while they will may purchase a whole album the general attitude is that they would prefer to buy singles as opposed to buying an able where they may only like a few songs. Thus the strategy of Beyoncé's team in making it so that fans had to purchase the whole Beyoncé album with the incentive being that it was a visual album. So it really doesn't matter if Rhianna outsold her by selling singles. Also, listening to her new music one gets the feel that these are songs that Rhianna rejected. Die hard fans should have been worried when she started the whole baddie bey thing honestly. You are correct the digital age has had a major impact on the music business as far as sales. The standard now for going platinum is not as high as it used to be. When speaking on Adele and Sam Smith that just speaks to the appropriation that has always went on in music as well as other areas. As you go on you talk about MJ and how people did this and said that and giving flowers and the like. Here's the thing liking someone's music does not exempt them from criticism. That doesn't mean you like the person any less in a lot of cases. Also I get the feeling you were using him as an example. Beyoncé is no MJ never will be for many reasons sorry. Also from what I'm getting your saying we should support her and all this because she's Black while at the same time lauding her as the top Black female artist. When music was its best Black artist strived to be the best PERIOD. What tone does it set for a Black artist when they just want to be better than other Black artist. It's says there can only be one forces other artist to emulate that one thus closing off creativity and opens to what we see happening with Not only R & B but HIP HOP. Meanwhile as they say in the music business you're only as good as your last hit. Number 2 , a peak at 13, and being in the top 15 is not number one. Just really, do you think the Beyoncé at the height of her success would be doing the things she's doing now. Why do you think she's doing so much? Trust me she may be abit of denial but she knows. Also, if you think it that someone who has not had a hit in almost a decade was not looking for a hit, darling I have some land on the Atlantis that I am selling at very reasonable rates. Seriously though she'll be fine she still has a core fan base that will continue to support.
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Post by pikqa babi on May 28, 2015 20:58:51 GMT
Tinashe is replacing Ciara. Her downfall is Tinashe's big Breakthrough. Everything is timed and preplanned. History always repeats itself when singers get selected. But by observing her underground music and mainstream music. She is a breath of fresh air to the young and older crowd of her fans.
Tinashe has what Ciara lacks. That is: better vocals, she writes good classics (on her mixtapes) and produces her own songs. Unlike Ciara tinashe is very hands on and hardworking she improved alot on her singing and dancing as of late She actually IS one of the very few mainstream artists today that Sings live National Anthem with out ever Lypsincing. And embraces her culture as a Zimbabwean.
I truly love this young lady. Because of her i plan to start reading books on W.E.B Dubois
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Post by texatl on Jun 6, 2015 4:28:38 GMT
Okay I'm reading up on her, and her. Her dad is Zimbabwean and she speaks Shona fluently (one of the languages of Zimbabwe). She gets my vote for that alone. I have Zimbabwean roots and it's a big deal when a child who is not raised in Zim can speak Shona. Big Deal. So I like her for that. I've listened to three songs so far. I'm still not convinced. I think she has yet to find her image. She seems to be throwing everything at it right now, I'm getting Aaliyah, Jlo, Bey, and dashes of Rih. If she goes the brainless materialistic route then she won't make it. She has the benefit of being biracial (sadly it is a benefit, ask Alicia) so her cross over appeal is not so hard to muster. But if she goes all out hood she's going to lose her chance to get the "all important" white fan base. She seems a little too oversexualised too soon. Lik she's not playing her best cards. if she can sing and play instruments what's she doing with dubstep beats n stuff like that. I'm 5 songs in now and still have not heard anything in her voice to make me think she's "the next supreme". Looks wise, she looks like every other girl out there trying to make it. Very generic. but she youth on her side. She has already gotten a boob job. not a good one, she's got a tiny frame and is quite lean, those boobs are too big for her, she should have seen rihanna's surgeon. 8 songs and 1 commercial in: For a 22 year old, when she speaks she seems like she trying to cater to angsty teenagers. but everyone is trying to do that nowadays, all those "be yourself, you're beautiful, no jdgement, I'm just like you," type speeches that celebs like to give to no one in particular. It seems like Tinashe is just rattling of the rhetoric, but that was an ad. and i imagine it's scripted. For a professional dancer, she's very messy with her footwork and her moves aren't very original, nothing you can't see at the club. i think she needs better management and a better team overall. Her greatest asset is her greatest weakness IMO. She is blan and generic. This is good becuase this means she can be molded into anything TPTb want her to be. This is bad because she seems to lack star power. but then again star power nowadays is made of lacefronts, lighting and photoshop so it mgiht not matter. One interview in: She doesn't seem to want to rep Zim at all. She's happy to be claimed by kentucky and LA but makes a funny face about Zimbabwe:  However everything I said above is irrelevent. If she is the chosen one, she will succeed. If a star could made out of the lier and the fraud that is Beyonce, then anyone can be made a star. As many songs as I can take in: I've gone from being a little unimformed and unimpressed to being better informed and still unimpressed. But with some good marketing and perception management, she'll be aight, because the same people who latched onto Beyonce will still need a void to fill. and there'll be a new generation of stan types to gather. At the end of the day, like I said. If they want her to be it, she will be it. I'm a fan of her and was just lurking and ran upon this post...........I would love to know what songs did you listen too, because she has over 50 songs, 1 album and 4 mixtapes cause she come from the underground internet scene before she got a deal. Because on that a lot of people are just discovering don't know she has done so much work. And listen to a few song think they discover her artistry when they haven't even touch the surface. She's a singer writer, dancer, musician and producer. again she got a deal because she produced mixtapes in her room. She layered, arrange and mix and master her vocal for like 40 of her songs herself. She's not label made artist.  Tinashe is an alternative R&B artist, I agree that most her singles aren't anything that make her stand out. but most her music is actually abstract so I want to know what 8 songs you ran upon to think she's generic? She an R&B artists that has a mixtape that apocalypse theme? :format(jpeg):mode_rgb()/discogs-images/R-6189301-1413282827-6604.jpeg.jpg) A lot her music she actually singing about life, politics and deeper subject matter.... She actually have another entire mixtape called "Reverie" that's about politics. "Reverie" means day Dream, she was saying people aren't politically conscious about society and she made a project about it. tinashenow.tumblr.com/post/29495628745As said a lot her songs she actually singing about deeper subject matters, She was bullied as a child and a lot her music is about overcoming adversity. She does a lot more than sing about sex and love songs. She's one of last artists I would call "generic" 1. Wanderer 2. The Leap 3. Bet 4. Ain't Ready 5. Indigo Child 6. Who Am I Working For?, 7. Days In The West 8. Staying Afloat 9. Dreams Are Real, 10. Black Water , 12. Cold Sweat 13. Fear Not, 14. Wildfire, 15. Middle Of Nowhere 16. Reverie 17. Painted Faces 18. Stunt 19. One Step Over 20. Cold Sweat, 21. Fugitive Also She don't rep her Zim roots?........ Irony in a lot her includes on projects she has Shona spoken......... "Video Tapes" "The Will To Survive" "The Calm" Her Black Water mixtape cover she was repping to the fullest.  Alot her music is strongly influence by 90's Quiet storm or slow Jams, she actually been praise by blogs for bringing order R&B back. She's influence Janet and Sade. Smoother stuff. Wrong...... this samples Summertime Maddness.. Again she's alt R&B artist, a lot her production is abstract, experimental and not meant for radio. On this song from her album "Aquarius" reference back to her mixtape "Black Water" Water turns black before a storm... The Storm represent her progression, again she sings about over coming adversity a lot. On the track Black Water she kept saying the "storm is coming beware". On the song Bet she's continuing the metaphors saying to haters she will make it, Most her singles I like but are they some what generic, However a lot people completely take it prejudge her. |
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Post by eljjai on Jun 6, 2015 5:22:44 GMT
texatlI'm open to changing my mind about her. I just went on youtube picked one song and then kept picking songs of hers from the suggestion list on the side. I don't claim to have discovered her. who doesn't know what reverie means? If she was ever deep, then what the hell are songs like "two-on" doing in her repertoire? I'd happily embrace a singer who wasn't singing about love and sex we've got more than enough of those. If she does have a deeper side, then she's lost in terms of image. Why would she want to try and force the sexy? Take the Janelle Monae route. She's gotten implants and alterations to her face. While it's good for her to reach for the sky with her dreams at cost will it be? Props to her for mixing all her beats in her room. Bet on it sounds good. when I have time I'll go throguh the songs you posted.
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Post by texatl on Jun 6, 2015 10:00:32 GMT
texatlI'm open to changing my mind about her. I just went on youtube picked one song and then kept picking songs of hers from the suggestion list on the side. I don't claim to have discovered her. who doesn't know what reverie means? If she was ever deep, then what the hell are songs like "two-on" doing in her repertoire? I'd happily embrace a singer who wasn't singing about love and sex we've got more than enough of those. If she does have a deeper side, then she's lost in terms of image. Why would she want to try and force the sexy? Take the Janelle Monae route. She's gotten implants and alterations to her face. While it's good for her to reach for the sky with her dreams at cost will it be? Props to her for mixing all her beats in her room. Bet on it sounds good. when I have time I'll go throguh the songs you posted. The implant stuff is untrue, Shen denied it and it doesn't even appear to look true. I think like ability is important, a lot people prejudge her bad like she ratchet or something, she's like like a cute nerd and she's humble Anyways Because she's an alternative artist a lot her stuff her label probably see as too abstract for radio. She has different sides to her music. And sexuality is part of style but not solidly. Her being a multi dimensional artist makes sense she's R&B/pop/alternative but I can't even began to explain why they only promote one side of her. I think they probably show case the others sides eventually. But also check this out as well... Read the lyrics as you listen, she's a really good lyricist, I'm trying figure out is this actually a love song, or a metaphor for herself waiting to chase her dreams. But as I said she's known for smoother R&B tracks, I want her to drop the female Adorn I believe she can, she actually takes after Janet more than Beyonce or Aaliyah. |
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Post by texatl on Jun 6, 2015 10:39:41 GMT
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Post by pik on Jun 6, 2015 17:11:05 GMT
2 on was for her to get mainstream. And the )Funding was really why she
wanted to go major instead of staying indi. I love her. Her music helped me to be optimistic and unlock my creativity. Her music helps me to be proud of being an individual thinker and to flourish from there. Im just glad there is Finally light being shed to another artist who happens to be Multi-talented and understood the essence of music instead of the copy and paste/theivery stuff going on
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Post by shanaelmsford on Jun 6, 2015 19:19:11 GMT
texatlAre you planning to use your account to do something other than promote Tinashe or is that the only reason you joined the forum? I'm just asking so I can satisfy my own curiosity. I'm not trying to accuse you of being a 'cleaner' or a stan but you haven't been a member of DR a full day yet and out of all of the threads on the forum your only 3 posts are only on this topic; if all you wanted to do was post about her you could have done that as a guest without taking the time to register.
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Post by texatl on Jun 6, 2015 22:36:07 GMT
texatlAre you planning to use your account to do something other than promote Tinashe or is that the only reason you joined the forum? I'm just asking so I can satisfy my own curiosity. I'm not trying to accuse you of being a 'cleaner' or a stan but you haven't been a member of DR a full day yet and out of all of the threads on the forum your only 3 posts are only on this topic; if all you wanted to do was post about her you could have done that as a guest without taking the time to register. But I'm a huge fan I kind of made that clear my first statement of my first post I was lurking. I'm not trying to push her on anybody just given the topic and knowing Tinashe gets prejudge a lot. So I just wanted to give more background on her. A lot of people just discovering her don't know where to look. Also I didn't know that, but I may come back here time to time. |
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Post by shanaelmsford on Jun 6, 2015 23:48:14 GMT
^^ Fair enough.  I think it's cool when we get new members, so if you like the board I hope you post on other topics too. |
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? (Rihanna sold 75 million singles and bey sold 46 according to billboard. Rih beating her out she don't like that. Lol.) It's rare these days that black artists, especially females at that can go to 2x platinum that fast within like 8 months. People are not even buying our albums like that anymore. They buy the singles but not the albums in this "digital world " now. No one that's out now is selling 11 million copies whether it be here or overseas. Or even pass platinum status. That's over with, the Internet killed all of that. The other artists that are out that the media considers R&B or soul music lol, like Adele and Sam was selling way more than us and we can't even get out music played like theirs. I know because they "fit the majority category"! 
I think it's cool when we get new members, so if you like the board I hope you post on other topics too.